I think Sticks need to remove himself to cut some ties, to get a bit of a perspective on the club. my issue is that he has been through everything - it must be extremely hard to see clearly and know what must be done.

take a break come back to us but with some of the old ties severed. Thats just an opinion Deano, that's all.

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Fair enough. Carlton without Sticks there in some capacity just doesn't seem like Carlton.

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Its not a case of seeking to blame him as a way of sniping at Jack!

The fact is that over the last 8 or so years he has been on the Match Committee and a Chairman of selectors as well as the Boards representative.

In that time we have witnessed the worst onfield time in our history!

Surely Stephens responsibilties mean that player payment issues, recruiting etc can be partially down to him?

I don't care if Sticks is the most wonderful bloke in the world nor do i doubt his tremendous loyalty.The fact is however,he occupies a Board seat and during his time the area that he has most influence over has been an absolute disaster.

I,m afraid the issue is about quality and suitability to fill the position.Lovely bloke he might be but that does'nt mean we should not expect more from our Directors!

don't worry mate. I won't be going anywhere for a while

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Blue Vain articulated the issue very nicely,

At the time of the overthrow of Jack, Sticks chose to stay with the board, because he loves his club and wanted to help.

Some of us saw this as being the wrong move, and felt that Sticks was not suited to the role a) because of his association/friendship/loyalty to Elliot, b) due to his close involvement with many of the senior players and c) the perception that he is not a strong decision maker.

But the majority of voters elected to keep him on the board. In my mind it was very much a case of "you can't treat our favourite son like that".

I don't know of anything he has specifically done "wrong", but my perception is that he is not the right person to be on the board. I agree with BV that he should be used much more in a marketing/media "face of the club" type role. His worth would be invaluable there.

But at this stage, the replacements seem to be scarce on the ground. The club hasn't even nominated yet whether they will replace KH and DMcK with new representatives.

Maybe he should throw away his suit & tie and just help coach & develop the young blokes like Hartlett, Waite, Fish, Carlos, Raso, Josh Kennedy , etc.

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He did a bit more than that.

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care to elaborate?

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Richard Pratt - A Carlton legend.

Campo too, I believe.

I imagine the problem is that he's mates with them, and doesn't want them to leave... thus hampering our "renovations" to the list????

this is second-hand stuff though

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Sticks has always seemed a top bloke but that doesnt make a great footy administrater and the fact that he supported Jack while ignoring the fact that Elliott almost destroyed the club was taking loyalty too far

To me he doesnt comprehend the full story.

I agree with that...being mates with players and being part of the decison making processes which affect those players isnt on and thats why there is a conflict of interest with him..sad to say but he should have been let go when Jack was dethroned...

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In the old days carlton was strong because we took our leaders and kept them around the club, blokes like Lofts and collo and hall etc all continued to contribute to the culture of this club, to a die for the jumper ideal that is long since dead and buried, even the tree planeted now rots with age, but we as a club continue to do things the old way, grab a bloke and hold me around the next playing group.... maybe the old ways are not the right ways anymore.

Maybe what was once this club's greatest strength is now its weakness. With new list managements/trade/drafts etc, loyalty and tradition may not be the most vital cogs. Maybe.

maybe not.

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Tricky one this.Like every argument,no one is completely right and no one is complerrtely wrong.Reckon the problem is its Sticks,and Sticks alone.He is one out.Danny mentions it used to be Collo,Wes Lofts,Kevin Hall.You can throw in Gags and Barry Armstrong who had plenty of influence in the back room.Reckon Sticks good qualities are great myself.Whats wrong with loyalty ? To get loyalty you have to give loyalty.Blokes like Sticks are hard to find and we should do everything we can to keep him on board despite his faults.What we need is a select band of helpers for Sticks in the fashion of the old gaurd.Many hands make light work.Diesel should be there along with Bradley.Recently retired champs with a great knowledge of what is required.

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Thing is though, can sticks look at things objectively considering he is mates/former teamates with Lance/Campo/Kouta?

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Definately maybe. What a great point.

It is a deadset failure if someone who makes decisions and has a hand in the running of the club is unable to think objectively, it just won't work.

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Nope.

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The problem will be made. for the solution to be sold, to your face before your eyes, tolerance is now the new danger

I think this thread should be deleted

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Can we delete you?

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Twitter - @johnfeeney24

Under the new constitution (board members can serve no more than 3 terms) Stick's time must be just about up anyway? The critical thing will be to keep him in an appropriate role in the club, not strategic football related - where he has proven he lacks the nesessary smarts.

CHF!

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