Losing to those teams says more about the players than Mick

A bit of heart and mental fortitude would be great but say it seems this list cannot give this

An ex colleague of mick said recently clubs Mick coaches always have superior cultures after he leaves and in his view Carlton is a work in process

Calling out weak minded and I adequately skilled players is merely part of trying to fix the ship

It's a work in progress

But Rowe and White and Yarran and Robinson and Levi have developed some back bone
So we are getting there

i agree with you on Thornton - averaged less than one tackle per game as a defender - unbelievable tackling stat.

Although Mr S believes Thornton is a better player than Jonathan Brown and that you can build a team around the Great T-Bird

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A coach's currency is wins and losses. And losing to the lowest of the low is as bad as it gets I'm afraid. A sign Malthouse is struggling, big time.

Agree, as soon as Garlett, Waite and Curnow aren't at the club we'll be a powerhouse.

Can we delist them now ala Bootsma?

But then we won't win a game.

Based on some of the comments on this site all we need to do is head hunt Clarkson, Hinkley and Longmire and they will wave their magic wand and turn our VERY average list to a competitive top 8 side.

Our list is crap folks, if you do not believe this make your way to the next NB game and see what is coming through.

Anger and dissapointment IMO should be directed to Hughes and Ratten. MM may not be the answer but I would blame 80% of our current situation on Hughes/Ratts/List Management.

I guess everyone interprets what Mick said differently. All I got it from it was he used Ed's kick as an example of what he meant by a difference in class. And he used this example because it's pretty obvious that everyone noticed it and remembered it. To be fair, Sidebottom should be naturally better than Curnow. One is a top 10 draft pick, the other is a workhorse who started as a rookie at his second club.

Seperately - I think this just shows we are feeling the pain of having too many rookie listed players on our team because our national draft picks fail. You can't expect to build a team with more rookie picks than most and not see a clear difference in class. There's a reason these players are rookies.

Agree totally. No matter who was coach right now and in the future (Ratten or anyone else) would be feeling the pain of the deplorable list management, recruiting and development processes and decisions that were made during the Hughes and Ratten tenure.

You cannot fail in 3 consecutive drafts and expect not to feel it.

Agree 100%

So some didn't appreciate what MM said at the presser, FFS Roos and Buckley manhandled players on the ground during the game.

Yeh, but they're not Mick.

Can you imagine if Mick did what Brad Scott did to Rockliff?

Perhaps MM knows Curnow well enough to know what he can and can't say.
I'd guess Buttifant could give him an insight.
He is a long time family friend and Ed goes out with his daughter.
MM has been doing this for a while.

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It's called deflecting, he doesn't accept responsibility, never has though. Can't wait until the end of next season

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Parkin publically called our side a 'B Grade outfit' in 1999.
Is he a dud of a coach for potting the players ?

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B grade sides make grand finals hey

Must of hurt the players hard that comment

Our recently departed Wes Lofts said our 1987 Premiership side was the most ordinary Carlton side to win a flag.

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we were runners up that year - we must have been a B-grade outfit

whats your point Dom?

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Parkin made the comment at the beginning of the season. Yet they still went on to make the GF - those comments seriously left them mentally scarred

I wish we were ordinary again

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yes, you could see the mental weakness starting to appear in the Preliminary final against Essendon*

Just the 1 point win that day

the writing was on the wall

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Don't get the hysteria and the overanalysis.

MM spoke the truth and echoed the sentiments of many here every single day. At its foundation we do have a lack of talent in the list. Occasional bouts of individual brilliance yes, but what about fundamental skills at a high level required to be a top side? Let's just look at disposal efficiency, field kicking and handballs, and set shots on goal. Let's ignore our pansy fingertip brush tackles and 5 touch fumbles.

Who on the list at present meets the criteria on a 70-80% basis in these key areas? Even 60%.

If Waite doesn't wanna put in and Garlett can't put the effort into being a well rounded attacking and defensive footballer to the point he's a required part of the 22 then GAGF both of them. Simple.