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Rexy
PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:20 pm 
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He took the $3,000,000 contract on knowing that the job description was to deliver improvement on Rattens record... a flag.

Did he do his due diligence on the list ?

Did the high flyers on the board do their due diligence on Mick ?


No one has ever said he was brought on to deliver a flag. That is a typical media beat up.

Do we want him to deliver a flag, definitely, but it became obvious early that he simply doesn't have the cattle. Last year was his first trade period, draft as coach.

He admitted he didn't know the list at all when he took over. That is why little was done in the period after he was signed.

What due diligence would you do on him that they shouldn't already know? His record and approach is fairly public.

Whether MM is the right coach to rebuild this list I'm not sure but I think you are letting your bias get in the way.

Let him build "his" list and then judge him. Personally, I agree with him that we simply don't have the talent and that was an issue way before he came on board.


Rubbish !!

Why else would Sticks sack his mate ???

Sick of this clubs phony bullshit.
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ThePsychologist
PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:21 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Rexy wrote:

He took the $3,000,000 contract on knowing that the job description was to deliver improvement on Rattens record... a flag.

Did he do his due diligence on the list ?

Did the high flyers on the board do their due diligence on Mick ?


No one has ever said he was brought on to deliver a flag. That is a typical media beat up.

Do we want him to deliver a flag, definitely, but it became obvious early that he simply doesn't have the cattle. Last year was his first trade period, draft as coach.

He admitted he didn't know the list at all when he took over. That is why little was done in the period after he was signed.

What due diligence would you do on him that they shouldn't already know? His record and approach is fairly public.

Whether MM is the right coach to rebuild this list I'm not sure but I think you are letting your bias get in the way.

Let him build "his" list and then judge him. Personally, I agree with him that we simply don't have the talent and that was an issue way before he came on board.


Rubbish !!

Why else would Sticks sack his mate ???

Sick of this clubs phony bullshit.


Okay, who said it?

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Rexy
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Rexy wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Rexy wrote:

He took the $3,000,000 contract on knowing that the job description was to deliver improvement on Rattens record... a flag.

Did he do his due diligence on the list ?

Did the high flyers on the board do their due diligence on Mick ?


No one has ever said he was brought on to deliver a flag. That is a typical media beat up.

Do we want him to deliver a flag, definitely, but it became obvious early that he simply doesn't have the cattle. Last year was his first trade period, draft as coach.

He admitted he didn't know the list at all when he took over. That is why little was done in the period after he was signed.

What due diligence would you do on him that they shouldn't already know? His record and approach is fairly public.

Whether MM is the right coach to rebuild this list I'm not sure but I think you are letting your bias get in the way.

Let him build "his" list and then judge him. Personally, I agree with him that we simply don't have the talent and that was an issue way before he came on board.


Rubbish !!

Why else would Sticks sack his mate ???

Sick of this clubs phony bullshit.


Okay, who said it?


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Kernahan believes Carlton need to get an experienced coach to give the Blues squad their best chance of success.

"I think our list is at a time, you know, Chris Judd, I don't know how long Juddy can play on for, I just think we need to strike, if we're going to strike it needs to be in the next couple of years," Kernahan said.

http://www.sportal.com.au/afl/news/kern ... m2pi00lczf


A $3,000,000 cash splash ... for what ??

"oh... ahh... perhaps the talent level is not quite there ... DOH !!!"
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:37 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Rexy wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Rexy wrote:

He took the $3,000,000 contract on knowing that the job description was to deliver improvement on Rattens record... a flag.

Did he do his due diligence on the list ?

Did the high flyers on the board do their due diligence on Mick ?


No one has ever said he was brought on to deliver a flag. That is a typical media beat up.

Do we want him to deliver a flag, definitely, but it became obvious early that he simply doesn't have the cattle. Last year was his first trade period, draft as coach.

He admitted he didn't know the list at all when he took over. That is why little was done in the period after he was signed.

What due diligence would you do on him that they shouldn't already know? His record and approach is fairly public.

Whether MM is the right coach to rebuild this list I'm not sure but I think you are letting your bias get in the way.

Let him build "his" list and then judge him. Personally, I agree with him that we simply don't have the talent and that was an issue way before he came on board.


Rubbish !!

Why else would Sticks sack his mate ???

Sick of this clubs phony bullshit.


Okay, who said it?


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Kernahan believes Carlton need to get an experienced coach to give the Blues squad their best chance of success.

"I think our list is at a time, you know, Chris Judd, I don't know how long Juddy can play on for, I just think we need to strike, if we're going to strike it needs to be in the next couple of years," Kernahan said.

http://www.sportal.com.au/afl/news/kern ... m2pi00lczf


A $3,000,000 cash splash ... for what ??

"oh... ahh... perhaps the talent level is not quite there ... DOH !!!"


So it was Kernahan? Why are you then blaming Mick?

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Rexy
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He's ripped the members off !!!
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ThePsychologist
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He's ripped the members off !!!


Don't agree, that's a silly comment. I'd suggest that Swann and Kernahan offered him that. He's being paid to do a job he was offered. If you were offered $3m would you take it?

The other issue it's a three year deal. So I suggest lets see how he sits after three years. I get the feeling he will be at Carlton even longer. :wink:

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I think MM said something about planets aligning then we are a chance for a flag. The good top 4 teams have young talent coming through and a core group of senior players in their prime.

We were only ever going to contend for a flag this year if:
- Kruezer was fully fit and lived up to his hype
- Lucas/Bootsma/McCarthy/Watson became regular senior players and the envy of all other teams recruiters
- Judd was still in B & F form
- Carrazzo was in 2011 form
- Garlett kicked 50 goals
- Bell actually did turn into a player as good as Kouta and played every game
- Duigan produced the form he did in the Richmond final every week and played every game this year
- Scotland played like a 28 year old
- Waite finally lived up to his hype

A lot of things have gone wrong this year.

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ThePsychologist wrote:
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He's ripped the members off !!!


Don't agree, that's a silly comment. I'd suggest that Swann and Kernahan offered him that. He's being paid to do a job he was offered. If you were offered $3m would you take it?

The other issue it's a three year deal. So I suggest lets see how he sits after three years. I get the feeling he will be at Carlton even longer. :wink:


Yeah right, you seriously saying he took on the job NOT KNOWING his task was to 'strike' ?? ...pfft !!

There has been NO BENEFIT to justify the cost.

It's a monumental DISASTER of an appointment by a board full of SPIVS !
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SPIVS!!!!!!!!!


:lol:

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what Rexy said

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Rexy wrote:
There has been NO BENEFIT to justify the cost.

It's a monumental DISASTER of an appointment by a board full of SPIVS !


Whilst I agree the club has been a disaster and the decisions they have made defy belief in many circumstances I think you are simply jumping the gun in regards to the coach. He has been there 18 months and has had one draft/trade period. It was a list on the slide. Ratten missed the finals in his last year. People forget that and keep referring to a prelim final previous to that. We scrapped into 9th last year.

Our better players are older and passed their best and their is no youth coming through. That is a poor list and I don't care who the coach is I don't believe we would be doing much better.

MM has a three year deal and believe he should be judged after three years. If by the end of this contract we have bottomed out and are heading back up the ladder with a talented young side I will be very happy because after a decade of mediocrity I believe that is our best way forward.

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ThePsychologist wrote:
Rexy wrote:
There has been NO BENEFIT to justify the cost.

It's a monumental DISASTER of an appointment by a board full of SPIVS !


Whilst I agree the club has been a disaster and the decisions they have made defy belief in many circumstances I think you are simply jumping the gun in regards to the coach. He has been there 18 months and has had one draft/trade period. It was a list on the slide. Ratten missed the finals in his last year. People forget that and keep referring to a prelim final previous to that. We scrapped into 9th last year.

Our better players are older and passed their best and their is no youth coming through. That is a poor list and I don't care who the coach is I don't believe we would be doing much better.

MM has a three year deal and believe he should be judged after three years. If by the end of this contract we have bottomed out and are heading back up the ladder with a talented young side I will be very happy because after a decade of mediocrity I believe that is our best way forward.


when did Port bottom out - before or after Hinkley took over?

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Clayman wrote:

A lot of things have gone wrong this year.


That's been the case for the last 10 years
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The Psychologist wrote:
Personally, I agree with him that we simply don't have the talent and that was an issue way before he came on board.



No we don't have the talent to win a flag but do we have the talent to beat Brisbane, GWS, Melbourne? Do we have the talent to be better than one game off the bottom? I think we do, and that the coach is not maximising performance with the talent he has.
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Carlton coach Mick Malthouse gives out-of-favour stars a hip and shoulder

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/c ... z36INIVVCd

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I don't like this public bagging of players. What do you guys think?

Should be done behind closed doors. Not good for our image and trying to lure players to our club.

We need to show unity in this turmoil we are in.
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Trigger
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Drewgirl wrote:
I don't like this public bagging of players. What do you guys think?

Should be done behind closed doors. Not good for our image and trying to lure players to our club.

We need to show unity in this turmoil we are in.

Why not bag the supposed players, obviously gentle speak does not work.
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