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Ok BM.. i await your next interesting post.... :lol:

But yes "Collo is trying to find us board members but they dont want to come"

Tah for that bit of news.....

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I think we should get an ex-Prime Minister to be President.

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Synbad - brilliant post - spot on - we need a near complete clean out on the board, problem is that they all believe they are doing a wonderful job!!!


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Sounds as though there needs to be a ticket formed and a challenge laid down to the current board Speedy :wink:

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Some interesting points here, Synbad.

For starters, i agree in terms of having talented people behind the scenes.


What about how Sydney obtained that recruiting manager from Brisbane - forgot his name - and not long after they win a premiership. Maybe our recruitment department is not up to it...


Our board needs to be cutting edge... much as it was back in 65 - they made the hard decisions then. But more importantly as far as i am concerned we need to spend less money on campo and fat cats and more money on the recruitment department.


Is there anyway Kouta can cut his wage for the good of the club?
Surely he must understand the dire straits we are in....my understanding is that he did cut his wage back in 2002. Mabye i am wrong.


How should we have handled the Campo situation better?

The calibre of Campo was obvious from his interview - surely he would have undertaken such an interview (airing his dirty linen) no matter what happened.


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TI79,

I think Andrew Ireland was the football manager who moved from Brisbane to Sydney

I think Kouta took a 'cut' when he extended his contract by a year but didn't add more $$$ onto it

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What about how Sydney obtained that recruiting manager from Brisbane - forgot his name - and not long after they win a premiership. Maybe our recruitment department is not up to it...


Andrew Ireland originally from Brisbane, went on to play a heap of games for the Filth, after retrement went to Brisbane as an administrator, then became player manager and went to Sydney to perform the same role. Think I got it in the correct order. Top guy, even though he has never been with any club I support. Don't forget that not only was he at clubs that had all the "state of the art" facilities, but were and still are; love childs of the AFL. :roll:

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And he's at the only 2 clubs that had salary cap allowances

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Synbad wrote:
Winning ten meaningless games with a bunch of hacks and ultimately cost ourselves a class kid like Griffen Deledio Franklin Roughead will set us way back.


The Pagan knockers will point to our finishing positions in 03 and 05 as proof we have made no progress ... but here is the kicker, they will then blame him for winning too many games in 04 and hampering our progress. Would Pagan be a better coach if he got the players to tank the 04 season?

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Going after a guy like Dylan McLaren.. another spare parts ruckman to add to Prenda, Aisake, Setanta,Batson,Brya, Deluca and the failures of Hedge Mott etc...
When we believed ruckmen take too long to mature and had an opportunity and bring in a kid like Cam Wood last year (because he might take too long).. and while were still not going to have a class ruckman way after Wood becomes one.. is going to kill us.
We would have had to use pick 9 to get Wood and for memory he went at 18 so plenty passed on him early. Will we be lamenting that choice if Russell is also kicking arse at the same time? Far too early to call this one.

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It wraps up the bandaid reject approach we have been kidding ourselves with.. and will cost us!!!


Taking a ruckman in the PSD is hardly indicative of a spare parts mentality when you consider the odds of a decent young ruckman getting picked up in the PSD after being passed over in the draft. The Russell over Wood scenario hardly supports the spare parts opinion.

The way I figure it, we have a midfield chomping at the bit to get out there and assert themselves now and if we can't get a decent ruckman to go with them right now, we at least have to negate the ruck as best as we can and give them a fighting chance.


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hey but wow was right, right? I mean 04 was just an aberration and the praise he recieved from everyone for doing what he did was just a plot to undermine this club, right?

there are so many belief systems at work at the moment i just don't know what to believe, and believe me that's saying something!

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But BM.. youre saying Collo is trying to finmd us board members..


How can you say.. "Collo is trying to bring people into the fold"???

thats Elliot with Delutis....

What you should be explaining is how if you think Denis is wrong for us.. how did we sign him up?
Why did we sign his assistants up?
Why are we paying less than any other club to our recruiting dept.. when we surely need it more than anyone else...??
Why is Fev signed up and then put up for trade???
Why is Grant Williams our Football manger and he doesnt have any Footy experience...???

Why are we struggling with sponsors?
What is our plan??
How are we selling our future to the memebers and supporters???

Thats what Collo is meant to be overseeing...not handpicking board members.. hes already done that with Carlton 1.. its time the club begins shaping itself without the beancounter influence its now inundated with.

Theyre yesterdays people...


These issues have been raised and debated by many other posters Synbad, over many months and in this regard you are a bit of a Johhny come lately and quite frankly boring.



They're simple questions Mark, what are your thoughts?

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What about how Sydney obtained that recruiting manager from Brisbane - forgot his name - and not long after they win a premiership. Maybe our recruitment department is not up to it....


Andrew Ireland is the Director of Football at the Swans

Ricky Baraham is the Recruiting manager and has been for many, many years.

As for the last sentence ........ I would have thought Wayne Hughes deserves more than one draft to know if he any good at picking AFL players. The drafting and trading of players from other teams actually has nothing to do with him.

Since WH joined CFC in 2004 there is only one previous CFC recruiting assistant still on the books at CFC. In affect WH has put together a new group. One of the new group worked for Port Adelaide in 2004. I seem to remember them doing alright recently.

Regards Cazzesman.

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Pagan is coach, like it or not, he will be for season 2006, and there's not a lick anyone can do about it apart from whinge/rejoice.

Like the danny bloke said, people will be in a much better position at the end of the 2006 season to rant and rave, but until then there's a heap of water to pass over the bridge, let alone under it, and anything more is getting way ahead of what's happening right now.

Let's wait and see the result of the draft next month, and what sort of plan, if any is in place.


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The one thing out of all this is that again, the board is failing to communicate with its members. Some things never change.

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Sydney's Premiership side mostly comprised players who have been at the club for over 4 years.


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In what forum are the board able to address such questions of members? How much detail could/should the board impart, and in what manner?


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I think the board must express its plans for a future it must state something both via the emails to members and its official site (amongst other places, like the media, talking football etc).

We presetn no 'sense' of moving on, no vision of what we are doing as a football club. I think for the first year or so this baord did, but as time goes by it becomes as silent as its predecessor.

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Synbad wrote:
Winning ten meaningless games with a bunch of hacks and ultimately cost ourselves a class kid like Griffen Deledio Franklin Roughead will set us way back.


The Pagan knockers will point to our finishing positions in 03 and 05 as proof we have made no progress ... but here is the kicker, they will then blame him for winning too many games in 04 and hampering our progress. Would Pagan be a better coach if he got the players to tank the 04 season?

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Going after a guy like Dylan McLaren.. another spare parts ruckman to add to Prenda, Aisake, Setanta,Batson,Brya, Deluca and the failures of Hedge Mott etc...
When we believed ruckmen take too long to mature and had an opportunity and bring in a kid like Cam Wood last year (because he might take too long).. and while were still not going to have a class ruckman way after Wood becomes one.. is going to kill us.
We would have had to use pick 9 to get Wood and for memory he went at 18 so plenty passed on him early. Will we be lamenting that choice if Russell is also kicking arse at the same time? Far too early to call this one.

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It wraps up the bandaid reject approach we have been kidding ourselves with.. and will cost us!!!


Taking a ruckman in the PSD is hardly indicative of a spare parts mentality when you consider the odds of a decent young ruckman getting picked up in the PSD after being passed over in the draft. The Russell over Wood scenario hardly supports the spare parts opinion.

The way I figure it, we have a midfield chomping at the bit to get out there and assert themselves now and if we can't get a decent ruckman to go with them right now, we at least have to negate the ruck as best as we can and give them a fighting chance.


Thats ok if the guy can play football but he cant... I mean at a high level.
As for winning ten games.. im more interested in development and reconstruction.
No matter what we do were still going to be bottom 4 for the next coupl eof years or three...
But what we can do NOW is shape what kind of a football team and club we will have after those three years..

Thats what im interested in...!!!

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dannyboy wrote:
I think the board must express its plans for a future it must state something both via the emails to members and its official site (amongst other places, like the media, talking football etc).

We presetn no 'sense' of moving on, no vision of what we are doing as a football club. I think for the first year or so this baord did, but as time goes by it becomes as silent as its predecessor.


Does anyone know how much "direct" communication the boards of other clubs has with its members?


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