I can't understand why some people don't understand this.

Which is countered by Judd Waite Carrazzo Scotland Kreuzer etc all being injured, retired or old.

I bet you predicted how the team's performances would plummet after Mick took over at the end of 2012?

Actually Did anyone in this part of the Universe, predict a collapse in carltons performances due to poor list quality?

The funny thing is, EVERYBODy in the Universe predicted the opposite trend for Port Power when Hinkley took over. A slow recover from the bottom of the ladder.

CHAMPION DATA 2012

CARLTON
Defenders 14th
Midfield/Rucks 3rd
Forwards 2nd
LIST QUALITY 9th


PORT ADELAIDE
Defenders 18th
Midfield/Rucks 12th
Forwards 17th
LIST QUALITY 17th


What happened to these two clubs post 2012 when they changed their senior coaching roles.

Carlton also spend over 8 million dollars more per year in their football department than Port Power.

Leadership quality and depth have been serious problems at our club for over a decade.

Cant achieve much as a team with these defects - immediate killers

Couple this with all the other problems at the club, off-field etc, and everybody knows the end result.

Now we have a coach at the helm who looks through the glass in the box on game day, and doesnt recognise what sort of game is being played on the field. We are a internally dishonest organisation and the results reflect this.

[FRYBIE]

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Aside from Judd, none on that list you've mentioned have ever been superstars. We have gone backwards since Malthouse took over. If that continues next year then it's goodnight Irene, enjoy the money, and see you on the TV.

They weren't superstars. But Scotland won our B&F in 2012. They were our better players. And due to piss weak recruiting in 2009-2011 there isn't enough to pick up the slack for the decline of our older/injured players.

No doubt we've gone backwards. But we would've gone backwards with any coach. Not just Mick. Our list is a shambles.

I honestly think some of you prefer drama over success. You'd rather see carlton In the headlines for the wrong reasons just to occupy your time.

I cannot believe how some of you think it's Malthouse who's the problem. You just want him sacked because you love the drama of it.

I don't get you people. You bitch and moan about the 'old' carlton process but when ever a name is mentioned they are never good enough for any of you.

I've asked this a number of times now..... WHO BETTER IS THERE TO REPLACE MALTHOUSE WITH TO REBUILD THIS CLUB

and people like emtweenty or Dane have you actually chatted to anyone at the club regarding the respect for Malthouse by most. I'll tell ya that most of the boys would say he's the best thing that's gapped to them...... Especially the ones who were preciously coached by former great of the club.

Why don't we advertise Australia wide & find out

We just pull out the cheque book

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But who?

Another question...... What were you expectations for this year?

I can honestly say that I thought we'd be where we are now. Maybe a win or two better

That's why you do a search Christy, to find out.

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Yes, trublu's chequebook/messiah strategy has worked brilliantly for us over the last 15 years... it'll all be fine no probs... we're Carlton so STFU

I would have expected to beat Melb, Bris & GWS

I was never a fan of appointing MM as coach without a proper process

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but there has been a PROCESS since MM took over. MM keeps reminding us its about the PROCESS.

Problem is nobody knows what the PROCESS is - perhaps event he players dont know.

And from Mick's comments during the week, that he "doesnt recognise the game anymore" one must wonder whether Mick knows what his own process is....

Perhaps the Great Robert Wiley knows...

The PROCESS ladies and gentlemen

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Probably because it's bullshit.
Under Ratten Carlton went from 4 wins in a season, to 10 wins in a season to 4 years of finals footy.
To suggest their premiership window was open is nonsense. Age wise they were approaching their prime but they were one of the younger lists contending.

It's funny that the same clowns who were saying injuries were no excuse in 2012 are using injuries as an excuse now.
Our list management in the last 2 years has seen us go from a list coming into its prime to a declining bottom 4 disaster.
I'm not pointing all the blame at Mick because I'm actually impressed with his willingness to change his game style this year. But the finger pointing at Ratten compared to the cheerleading of Mick by TruBlu and his mates is beyond farcical.

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Excuse me but where have I said this is Mick's fault? I've said the exact opposite.

Process to appointing a coach?

MM - no process
Ratts - no process
Pagan - no process
Britts - a process - Parko's succession strategy.

What does this all mean?

Should I list all the coaches hired in recent years after an extensive process who have been a failure? In the final analysis it comes down to how good the people who make decisions are.
The scape goating of MM here is ridiculous . But have fun with it. Nothing will happen until mid next year.

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Yes I did. And you can check my posts at the start of the year where I predicted a bottom 4 finish this year even before a ball was bounced. I based this on what we are seeing now - our core group past their best and no young talent coming through to improve our team.

I am not surprised however I am gutted we are in this position.

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It is not as bad as you are lead to believe.......it is %$#^& worse!!!

What scapegoating ?

He took the $1m/yr job to take the list up to the next level.

He failed.

The biggest single issue affecting this club over the past 10-15 years.

No strategy and no process.

People who are simply not good enough being given lengthy overpaid contracts then extensions, players as well.

I have asked hundreds of times but am yet to ever receive any sort of an answer. What are our strengths and weaknesses, what are we trying to achieve and what do we need to do to get there??? Things just seem to be done so ad hoc it's not funny. We are in no better a position than we were a decade ago yet nothing really changes. I am hoping for improvement but realistically where is it to come from?

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