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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:15 pm 
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from what i understand mark is a realist about all this....

i think they got carried away with the richmond game... juddy injured and the 150th....

i think why malthouse has their confidence is because he told them our talls are crap... we dont have enough running mids and we have a dearth of talent coming through...

i think they must look at him as some kind of einstein ...

they never could see it till recently..

he told them early last year
late last year
early this year

in their eyes hes a genius...


i dunno why we got cripps though ... hes more of what we already have.

project players with early picks....

anyway... in my opinion... we need a new recruiting set up...
i dont know why duigan wasnt asked to work on profiling young kids in the tac before they walk through our door seeing he got paid o do bugger all.. i think it would have been a great initiative for the club.. for him to work on player profiles for young draftees .. full time.
working with our recruiters to identify winners.

Look at what we have been bringing in.
so many weak minded...hands up and surrender types.. and blokes not even suited to the game.
guys that bump people and say "sorry"
guys that hate to be touched.
guys that dont like working hard
guys that lack the belief at the highest level to succeed.

we have been bringing in so many wrong types.. physical grading and mental.

it just amazes me.....

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:25 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
i dont think anyone can exempt malthouse from scrutiny....

but is there a team that has had nothing from the draft in 5 years???

is there a team running around with blokes like rowe and casboult in the kp spots and cant rest other talls because there is nothing in the reserves?
is there a club that has it so wrong with player profiling ... (used to be one dimensional hbfers and now we have an overabundance of slow inside mids and not run and carry that can use the ball?
is there another club in the league that is forced to play so many struggling players because the cupboard is bare??

there is no zip we can call upon....
there are no talls who are modern day talls

its just such a crippled list .....

there is such a lack of leadership

its amazing

and people are hoping we can make finals...

he let Mitchell and Mcartney go
both would be 22 this year about the time KPP come good

who has Malthouse brought to the club in the last 2 years Menzel and who else
and please dont say everitt thomas and doc because they are stop gap list fillers if I have ever seen them

dont bemoan the fact that there is no one from the last 5 drfts playing because malthouse delisted a swag of them .
you criticise Ratts for leaving a shit list when he had 4 comprimised drafts to contend with but make no mention that malthouse has had 2 and produced diddly squat
see synner your caught up so much in ur own bullshit you start to believe it urself .
i used to think you were just taking the piss but you are not you are serious which is so sad

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:29 pm 
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I get people don't like Malthouse... fair enough

But to blame him for de-listing Mitchell & McCarthy? :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:31 pm 
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I get people don't like Malthouse... fair enough

But to blame him for de-listing Mitchell & McCarthy? :lol:


And Davies and Joseph...


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:35 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Synbad wrote:
i dont think anyone can exempt malthouse from scrutiny....

but is there a team that has had nothing from the draft in 5 years???

is there a team running around with blokes like rowe and casboult in the kp spots and cant rest other talls because there is nothing in the reserves?
is there a club that has it so wrong with player profiling ... (used to be one dimensional hbfers and now we have an overabundance of slow inside mids and not run and carry that can use the ball?
is there another club in the league that is forced to play so many struggling players because the cupboard is bare??

there is no zip we can call upon....
there are no talls who are modern day talls

its just such a crippled list .....

there is such a lack of leadership

its amazing

and people are hoping we can make finals...

he let Mitchell and Mcartney go
both would be 22 this year about the time KPP come good

who has Malthouse brought to the club in the last 2 years Menzel and who else
and please dont say everitt thomas and doc because they are stop gap list fillers if I have ever seen them

dont bemoan the fact that there is no one from the last 5 drfts playing because malthouse delisted a swag of them .
you criticise Ratts for leaving a shit list when he had 4 comprimised drafts to contend with but make no mention that malthouse has had 2 and produced diddly squat
see synner your caught up so much in ur own bullshit you start to believe it urself .
i used to think you were just taking the piss but you are not you are serious which is so sad


Docherty is quality. Just tired (had only played 10 games in total prior to this season).

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:54 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Synbad wrote:
i dont think anyone can exempt malthouse from scrutiny....

but is there a team that has had nothing from the draft in 5 years???

is there a team running around with blokes like rowe and casboult in the kp spots and cant rest other talls because there is nothing in the reserves?
is there a club that has it so wrong with player profiling ... (used to be one dimensional hbfers and now we have an overabundance of slow inside mids and not run and carry that can use the ball?
is there another club in the league that is forced to play so many struggling players because the cupboard is bare??

there is no zip we can call upon....
there are no talls who are modern day talls

its just such a crippled list .....

there is such a lack of leadership

its amazing

and people are hoping we can make finals...

he let Mitchell and Mcartney go
both would be 22 this year about the time KPP come good

who has Malthouse brought to the club in the last 2 years Menzel and who else
and please dont say everitt thomas and doc because they are stop gap list fillers if I have ever seen them

dont bemoan the fact that there is no one from the last 5 drfts playing because malthouse delisted a swag of them .
you criticise Ratts for leaving a shit list when he had 4 comprimised drafts to contend with but make no mention that malthouse has had 2 and produced diddly squat
see synner your caught up so much in ur own bullshit you start to believe it urself .
i used to think you were just taking the piss but you are not you are serious which is so sad


Docherty is quality. Just tired (had only played 10 games in total prior to this season).


Not to mention he had 0 preseason. Didn't put footy boots on from November to March.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:22 am 
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Synbad wrote:
from what i understand mark is a realist about all this....

i think they got carried away with the richmond game... juddy injured and the 150th....

i think why malthouse has their confidence is because he told them our talls are crap... we dont have enough running mids and we have a dearth of talent coming through...

i think they must look at him as some kind of einstein ...

they never could see it till recently..

he told them early last year
late last year
early this year

in their eyes hes a genius...


i dunno why we got cripps though ... hes more of what we already have.

project players with early picks....

anyway... in my opinion... we need a new recruiting set up...
i dont know why duigan wasnt asked to work on profiling young kids in the tac before they walk through our door seeing he got paid o do bugger all.. i think it would have been a great initiative for the club.. for him to work on player profiles for young draftees .. full time.
working with our recruiters to identify winners.


Look at what we have been bringing in.
so many weak minded...hands up and surrender types.. and blokes not even suited to the game.
guys that bump people and say "sorry"
guys that hate to be touched.
guys that dont like working hard
guys that lack the belief at the highest level to succeed.

we have been bringing in so many wrong types.. physical grading and mental.

it just amazes me.....


I thought this exact same thing.

I was in Melbourne last year one weekend to see Carlton and the Northern Blues play. Fortunately the NB played at Princes Park, which made for a nice day out.

Duigan was virtually an assistant coach out on the park. His leadership was magnificent. I thought to myself he's probably cooked at AFL level, but he'd be a massive asset off-field in a mentoring, development type role. Especially given his qualifications.

Maybe they asked, maybe he declined. Maybe they'd already appointed Osborne and there was no money left in the kitty (not sure how his contract was settled).

He'd probably know more about profiling personalities than the third-rate pseudo psychologists that masquerade as footy recruiters.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:36 am 
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Saw the headline & thought we might be targetting Mark Harvey....

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:48 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
he let Mitchell and Mcartney go
both would be 22 this year about the time KPP come good




SO TRUE!
I still blame Mick for Adam Hartlett too.

And Luke Blackwell.

BLOODY STRANGELOVE!!!


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:51 am 
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Bluey44 wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
he let Mitchell and Mcartney go
both would be 22 this year about the time KPP come good




SO TRUE!
I still blame Mick for Adam Hartlett too.

And Luke Blackwell.

BLOODY STRANGELOVE!!!


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 11:51 am 
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emtwenty wrote:
Effes wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Synbad wrote:
i dont think anyone can exempt malthouse from scrutiny....

but is there a team that has had nothing from the draft in 5 years???

is there a team running around with blokes like rowe and casboult in the kp spots and cant rest other talls because there is nothing in the reserves?
is there a club that has it so wrong with player profiling ... (used to be one dimensional hbfers and now we have an overabundance of slow inside mids and not run and carry that can use the ball?
is there another club in the league that is forced to play so many struggling players because the cupboard is bare??

there is no zip we can call upon....
there are no talls who are modern day talls

its just such a crippled list .....

there is such a lack of leadership

its amazing

and people are hoping we can make finals...

he let Mitchell and Mcartney go
both would be 22 this year about the time KPP come good

who has Malthouse brought to the club in the last 2 years Menzel and who else
and please dont say everitt thomas and doc because they are stop gap list fillers if I have ever seen them

dont bemoan the fact that there is no one from the last 5 drfts playing because malthouse delisted a swag of them .
you criticise Ratts for leaving a shit list when he had 4 comprimised drafts to contend with but make no mention that malthouse has had 2 and produced diddly squat
see synner your caught up so much in ur own bullshit you start to believe it urself .
i used to think you were just taking the piss but you are not you are serious which is so sad


Docherty is quality. Just tired (had only played 10 games in total prior to this season).


Not to mention he had 0 preseason. Didn't put footy boots on from November to March.


The fact that he has spent quality time through the midfield and has heaps of improvement in him has impressed me greatly. Great pick up and I expect big things in 2015 if he can have a good pre season.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:37 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Synbad wrote:
i dont think anyone can exempt malthouse from scrutiny....

but is there a team that has had nothing from the draft in 5 years???

is there a team running around with blokes like rowe and casboult in the kp spots and cant rest other talls because there is nothing in the reserves?
is there a club that has it so wrong with player profiling ... (used to be one dimensional hbfers and now we have an overabundance of slow inside mids and not run and carry that can use the ball?
is there another club in the league that is forced to play so many struggling players because the cupboard is bare??

there is no zip we can call upon....
there are no talls who are modern day talls

its just such a crippled list .....

there is such a lack of leadership

its amazing

and people are hoping we can make finals...

he let Mitchell and Mcartney go
both would be 22 this year about the time KPP come good

who has Malthouse brought to the club in the last 2 years Menzel and who else
and please dont say everitt thomas and doc because they are stop gap list fillers if I have ever seen them

dont bemoan the fact that there is no one from the last 5 drfts playing because malthouse delisted a swag of them .
you criticise Ratts for leaving a shit list when he had 4 comprimised drafts to contend with but make no mention that malthouse has had 2 and produced diddly squat
see synner your caught up so much in ur own bullshit you start to believe it urself .
i used to think you were just taking the piss but you are not you are serious which is so sad


You have to be kidding yourself but hey I support free speech


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:42 pm 
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bottom line isn't the quality of the list, it's whether he has got the best out of what he has got, the answer is a clear no. One year to prove himself, if we extend his contract now we are complete idiots

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:51 pm 
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No point extending his contract now, and don't think we will.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:52 pm 
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kingherna wrote:
bottom line isn't the quality of the list, it's whether he has got the best out of what he has got, the answer is a clear no. One year to prove himself, if we extend his contract now we are complete idiots


Yes spot on.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:21 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Synbad wrote:
i dont think anyone can exempt malthouse from scrutiny....

but is there a team that has had nothing from the draft in 5 years???

is there a team running around with blokes like rowe and casboult in the kp spots and cant rest other talls because there is nothing in the reserves?
is there a club that has it so wrong with player profiling ... (used to be one dimensional hbfers and now we have an overabundance of slow inside mids and not run and carry that can use the ball?
is there another club in the league that is forced to play so many struggling players because the cupboard is bare??

there is no zip we can call upon....
there are no talls who are modern day talls

its just such a crippled list .....

there is such a lack of leadership

its amazing

and people are hoping we can make finals...

he let Mitchell and Mcartney go
both would be 22 this year about the time KPP come good

who has Malthouse brought to the club in the last 2 years Menzel and who else
and please dont say everitt thomas and doc because they are stop gap list fillers if I have ever seen them

dont bemoan the fact that there is no one from the last 5 drfts playing because malthouse delisted a swag of them .
you criticise Ratts for leaving a shit list when he had 4 comprimised drafts to contend with but make no mention that malthouse has had 2 and produced diddly squat
see synner your caught up so much in ur own bullshit you start to believe it urself .
i used to think you were just taking the piss but you are not you are serious which is so sad



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:23 pm 
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When Malthouse was at Collingwood and previous clubs, I didn't like him but used to grudgingly admire the way he built teams that played for one another. He did seem to have an ability to get reasonable players to play as a team and perform collectively above what their individual talent suggested. So far I haven't seen any evidence that this is happening or will happen at Carlton. I hope I am wrong .........

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All the work one cares to add will not turn a mud pie into an apple tart; it remains a mud pie, value zero. By corollary, unskillful work can easily subtract value; an untalented cook can turn wholesome dough and fresh green apples, valuable already, into an inedible mess, value zero. Conversely, a great chef can fashion of those same materials a confection of greater value than a commonplace apple tart, with no more effort than an ordinary cook uses to prepare an ordinary sweet.


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Locke wrote:
All the work one cares to add will not turn a mud pie into an apple tart; it remains a mud pie, value zero. By corollary, unskillful work can easily subtract value; an untalented cook can turn wholesome dough and fresh green apples, valuable already, into an inedible mess, value zero. Conversely, a great chef can fashion of those same materials a confection of greater value than a commonplace apple tart, with no more effort than an ordinary cook uses to prepare an ordinary sweet.


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