The players certainly would have lost some confidence in the sides ability watching our two best defenders, and our no.1 ruckman, go down.

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I don't think he wanted him to leave:

I don't believe a word of that.

As we have seen through Beaumont, Allan, Murphy, Manton etc etc, if a player is becoming a parasite within the team, they will be moved on.

That quote was nothing more than to make out as if Pagan wanted to keep Campo.

I have no doubt he wanted him gone.

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I dunno, plenty of people I know tipped us for the spoon pre-season despite our 2004 form.

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So why were they traded while Campo wasn't?

We got a suitable deal for them, while Bolton for Campo and Pick 36 probably didn't light up Denis' eyes.

I wouldn't have taken that deal either.

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And Clarke did?

It's the principle of the trade.

Beauie was a friggin', slack, nuisance, who didn't want to abide by Deni's rule.
Granted Clarke was not the best option, but at least he wanted to be at Carlton and gave it his all. Beauie just didn't care.

I believe character and family background were the pre-requisites to joining Carlton for the 2004 season.

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It's called a 600K contract that no club would take (obviously) and which we couldn't just afford to pay out without making him earn his money.

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I will because thats what it was. for a side that was close to finals in 2004 and comprehensive pre-season winners it was a reasonable quote. We could well be expected to push again for the finals after that.There are millions of "neutral" punters that aree out there who bet with their brain not their heart. When you're spending those sums you want to know you have a chance. The men with the most to lose, bookies and punters, are usually very good judges. so just because their are heaps of Carlton supporters doensn't mean it's going to bring a price in short. If you knew anything about betting you'd know that. Poor argument! That's why you have to ask what happened between April and August.

no such thing as an anomoly in that situation. If you're good enough once you good enough all the time. To push finals in 2004 and win the wizzer in the first place you have to have the talent, It's not a fluke.

How many of these players where there and are still around PJ?
What is Denis rule? and what makes so right for us to lose such great servents?

I was willing to understand one, two, three or hell even four of our players not happy, but for goodness sake, every year there seems to be a swarm wanting out and even rumours of some "high" draftees.

They are all bad people Surrey. Dennis is a top bloke.

What pisses me off TheGame is that these players got us into a GF in 99 and finals there after until we lost it with injuries/Brittain, etc..

These are the players that we signed up because the "market" demanded it at the time, yet some posters fail to recongnise any of that and solely blame the players and their salaries for everything wrong.

These are the same people riddiculing KOUTA at every opportunity because injury struck him down.

I just want a fair trial. Yes some want more money than they are worth or then we are willing to pay, but it seems the market is going to pay what we aren't, and therefore maybe just maybe we are wrong. Time will show Campo to be burning up the grass at AFL grounds wearing Red & Black enjoying JJ's & MJ's hard work. Will have to live with it now folks.

At the very least Lappin deserve better as an individual than he has been shown.

Get with it Surrey it is Kouta's fault Mathew Knights rolled across his leg. Any decent human being would have gave the money back.

Just to put things into perspective for some of you.....Kouta maks FOUR TIMES what the whole of the recruit dept budget gets....

Im sure someone will ask me where i got that figure from......

*Thats how player contracts can effect a club in case some of you dont get it....

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It's not only the money, but value for money. You cannot seriously tell me that Campo and Whitnall have been worth the money they've been on, particularly when you look at their wages comparatively to players in other teams. Lappin's is purely a question of contract length. In the case of all 3, they would have walked if given the contracts they (or their manager) wanted from other clubs. Only 1 has left, so maybe the club isn't far off their 'true' market value.

I want players willing to sacrifice a bit to play for this club. Anyone who doesn't like it, can f&*k off to Essendon* for all I care!

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Don't have to convince me Synbad, I recall Jack telling everyone he was the highest paid player when they signed the contract. Truth is Synbad he was worth it when we signed the deal. He was dominating games like no player I've ever seen bar none. He got injured, shit happens.

Look, this is like The Never Ending Story. It just goes on and on and on. Take a 12 year break, come back here, and you guys will still be arguing about how much AFL footballers get paid.

See, AFL footballers get paid a lot. Get used to it.

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