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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 10:22 am 
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If we offered Wright $500k P.A. & he refused he,

(a) Doesn't like money, or

(b) He doesn't think much of the Carlton Football Club

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 10:24 am 
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or he is making that at hawthorn or can

but im not sure its only about the individuals... its also our structure that needs an overhaul

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 10:34 am 
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It's called head hunting.

It's very common. Commercial organisations do it & footy clubs do it.

You win some you lose some.

Too bad for that poor excuse of a president MLG"s first substantial move has failed.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 10:40 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Problem with Mark is nobody has ever heard of him...
hes "MArk who?"

So MArk needs to go out and make a mark... somewhere... so he can be noticed.
The world is not abuzz with the new Carlton President.... hes come in largely unnoticed....even Sticks came on with more of a media profile.. even though the world was giggling.

Mark just put his wright foot forward....


Complete opposite. One of the biggest factors that worked in Mark favour and he becoming president is that he is a unknown. The media have no interest in him. He has free space to do what he likes. Where as a Tom Elliot, Ahmed Fahour, Mathieson etc would have the media circling the club and them being door stopped at every opportunity.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 10:41 am 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
It's called head hunting.

It's very common. Commercial organisations do it & footy clubs do it.

You win some you lose some.

Too bad for that poor excuse of a president MLG"s first substantial move has failed.


WELL SAID.

those saying how unprofessional we are because we approached one of the better list mangers and tried luring to our club have NO EFFING IDEA.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 10:42 am 
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chubbyruss wrote:
If we offered Wright $500k P.A. & he refused he,

(a) Doesn't like money, or

(b) He doesn't think much of the Carlton Football Club


Or that he just signed a 3 year deal with the hawks and they refused to let him go.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:02 am 
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trublu wrote:
Rod Waddell wrote:
It's called head hunting.

It's very common. Commercial organisations do it & footy clubs do it.

You win some you lose some.

Too bad for that poor excuse of a president MLG"s first substantial move has failed.


WELL SAID.

those saying how unprofessional we are because we approached one of the better list mangers and tried luring to our club have NO EFFING IDEA.

Nothing wrong with "approaching" good people. But we're @#$%&! sick to death of the "get ......." mentality the club continues to have and the amateur way we go about it. If Wright had the slightest interest in joining us, I'm sure he'd bite if the club advertised it properly...y'know, like an actual business would!

Why is it so hard for this club to understand that perhaps the whispers and back room deals of the 70s/80s no longer apply, and that to get the right people you need to go through a PROPER PROCESS.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:46 am 
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trublu wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Problem with Mark is nobody has ever heard of him...
hes "MArk who?"

So MArk needs to go out and make a mark... somewhere... so he can be noticed.
The world is not abuzz with the new Carlton President.... hes come in largely unnoticed....even Sticks came on with more of a media profile.. even though the world was giggling.

Mark just put his wright foot forward....


Complete opposite. One of the biggest factors that worked in Mark favour and he becoming president is that he is a unknown. The media have no interest in him. He has free space to do what he likes. Where as a Tom Elliot, Ahmed Fahour, Mathieson etc would have the media circling the club and them being door stopped at every opportunity.

ah yes but football has more egos per square inch than anywhere else in the public eye.
and if u dont have a profile.. u need to try create one... which is what mark whatsisname was trying to do
if he had the right brains. he would begin by restructuring the recruiting dept not with individuals but wth the mechanism .. and then individuals.
he did this to make a splash... because hes a nobody in the public eye and needs to bag elephants.

hes under pressure within the club. make no mistake about it


why would a big name be door stopped or not door stopped?
im not saying we need big name prez. im just speculating on why mark whatsisname went out to bag elephants....and thats purely to make a splash

when the smart thing is to create an environment that works... but that does need brains and know-how but doesnt get immediately noticed ...and bagging elephants needs fast talking and a chequebook... and does get noticed

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:04 pm 
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trublu wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Problem with Mark is nobody has ever heard of him...
hes "MArk who?"

So MArk needs to go out and make a mark... somewhere... so he can be noticed.
The world is not abuzz with the new Carlton President.... hes come in largely unnoticed....even Sticks came on with more of a media profile.. even though the world was giggling.

Mark just put his wright foot forward....


Complete opposite. One of the biggest factors that worked in Mark favour and he becoming president is that he is a unknown. The media have no interest in him. He has free space to do what he likes. Where as a Tom Elliot, Ahmed Fahour, Mathieson etc would have the media circling the club and them being door stopped at every opportunity.

I think you'll find it's pronounced Farouh.....

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:10 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
trublu wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Problem with Mark is nobody has ever heard of him...
hes "MArk who?"

So MArk needs to go out and make a mark... somewhere... so he can be noticed.
The world is not abuzz with the new Carlton President.... hes come in largely unnoticed....even Sticks came on with more of a media profile.. even though the world was giggling.

Mark just put his wright foot forward....


Complete opposite. One of the biggest factors that worked in Mark favour and he becoming president is that he is a unknown. The media have no interest in him. He has free space to do what he likes. Where as a Tom Elliot, Ahmed Fahour, Mathieson etc would have the media circling the club and them being door stopped at every opportunity.

ah yes but football has more egos per square inch than anywhere else in the public eye.
and if u dont have a profile.. u need to try create one... which is what mark whatsisname was trying to do
if he had the right brains. he would begin by restructuring the recruiting dept not with individuals but wth the mechanism .. and then individuals.
he did this to make a splash... because hes a nobody in the public eye and needs to bag elephants.

hes under pressure within the club. make no mistake about it


why would a big name be door stopped or not door stopped?
im not saying we need big name prez. im just speculating on why mark whatsisname went out to bag elephants....and thats purely to make a splash

when the smart thing is to create an environment that works... but that does need brains and know-how but doesnt get immediately noticed ...and bagging elephants needs fast talking and a chequebook... and does get noticed



WHAT A flower LOAD OF SHIT.

You are potting a passionate Carlton man who has nothing but the best interests of the club by trying to head hunt the best in business to the club.

DO YOU KNOW MARK?

He is last man on earth who is trying to make a name for himself ran for the presidents gig to pump up his ego.

You do make some valid points on this forum and I agree with most things you say regarding the old school mentality of the running of this club.

But to say Mark is trying big note himself by trying to lure a big name to the club is WRONG WRONG WRONG.

Yeah he is under a bit of pressure to make change..... He has until the end of the year to make the rig changes which are what we all say...., recruiting


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:24 pm 
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trublu wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Problem with Mark is nobody has ever heard of him...
hes "MArk who?"

So MArk needs to go out and make a mark... somewhere... so he can be noticed.
The world is not abuzz with the new Carlton President.... hes come in largely unnoticed....even Sticks came on with more of a media profile.. even though the world was giggling.

Mark just put his wright foot forward....


Complete opposite. One of the biggest factors that worked in Mark favour and he becoming president is that he is a unknown. The media have no interest in him. He has free space to do what he likes. Where as a Tom Elliot, Ahmed Fahour, Mathieson etc would have the media circling the club and them being door stopped at every opportunity.

We're Carlton, f**k the media !


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:41 pm 
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melvey... of course i dont know mark... nobody knows mark... mark needs to make a mark

thats his problem....

carlton people might put up with a sticks.. or a pratt... but theyre not going to put up with mark who..

mark needs to get noticed.. and he has.. people have sat up and taken notice .. he has been knocked back offering half a million dollars to somebody.... now i dunno about you.. but its pretty unusual to have someone knock u back if ur offering him 250,000 bucks more than what theyre earning.

anyway.. i dunno mark.. yeah i know he has the club in his heart... but can u shed more light on mark???

what should we know about mark.... the real mark!!!.. the mark YOU know?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:42 pm 
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oh we are talking about the same mark arent we?

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 1:06 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
Nothing wrong with "approaching" good people. But we're @#$%&! sick to death of the "get ......." mentality the club continues to have and the amateur way we go about it. If Wright had the slightest interest in joining us, I'm sure he'd bite if the club advertised it properly...y'know, like an actual business would!

Why is it so hard for this club to understand that perhaps the whispers and back room deals of the 70s/80s no longer apply, and that to get the right people you need to go through a PROPER PROCESS.

You`re right Don. Why can't we ever identify who will become the next great List Manager, CEO, Coach etc ?


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 1:20 pm 
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Stop knocking him Synbad. Why don't you get a membership so you can vote for the president like I do....... Oh wait!

MARK FLOWERING WHO!!!!!

I don't know him, I hadn't heard of him till recently, and he hasn't said one word about what he stands for.

At least with Abbott, he told us what he stood for. He may have lied through his teeth, but at least he said something, and we could vote. This guy was just foisted upon us - chosen by others whom again we haven't voted for.

FLOWER OFF and give us our club back. Oh, and before you do, PAY OFF THE ^%*(*&&^ DEBT......... and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 3:54 pm 
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Princes Park Whistler wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Nothing wrong with "approaching" good people. But we're @#$%&! sick to death of the "get ......." mentality the club continues to have and the amateur way we go about it. If Wright had the slightest interest in joining us, I'm sure he'd bite if the club advertised it properly...y'know, like an actual business would!

Why is it so hard for this club to understand that perhaps the whispers and back room deals of the 70s/80s no longer apply, and that to get the right people you need to go through a PROPER PROCESS.

You`re right Don. Why can't we ever identify who will become the next great List Manager, CEO, Coach etc ?

Not sure if you're being facetious here. But either way you can bet your bottom dollar these things won't happen as long as we keep up with our lazy policy of saying "I reckon he'd be good" and throwing $$$ at them. The thing that amazes me is that the guys on our board all have experience in the corporate world, so would surely know about the importance of KPI's, key selection criteria and the importance of knowing your limitations in identifying key talent. Yet we keep operating like a bush-league club.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:08 pm 
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Lo Giudice will be a positive change for the betterment of the club no doubt.
There will be a break from the inertia that we've had to endure for the many years.
We can expect some real changes and gradually we'll come out of the darkness.
He's passionate Carlton man and he'll my full support.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:15 pm 
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Maybe it's just me, but I think if we had snared Wright, there would be some complaining that we had brought another bloke with a Collingwood background to the club.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 5:49 pm 
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Maybe it's just me, but I think if we had snared Wright, there would be some complaining that we had brought another bloke with a Collingwood background to the club.


..................nah, i reckon you've got the vibe just about right.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 8:07 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
Princes Park Whistler wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Nothing wrong with "approaching" good people. But we're @#$%&! sick to death of the "get ......." mentality the club continues to have and the amateur way we go about it. If Wright had the slightest interest in joining us, I'm sure he'd bite if the club advertised it properly...y'know, like an actual business would!

Why is it so hard for this club to understand that perhaps the whispers and back room deals of the 70s/80s no longer apply, and that to get the right people you need to go through a PROPER PROCESS.

You`re right Don. Why can't we ever identify who will become the next great List Manager, CEO, Coach etc ?

Not sure if you're being facetious here. But either way you can bet your bottom dollar these things won't happen as long as we keep up with our lazy policy of saying "I reckon he'd be good" and throwing $$$ at them. The thing that amazes me is that the guys on our board all have experience in the corporate world, so would surely know about the importance of KPI's, key selection criteria and the importance of knowing your limitations in identifying key talent. Yet we keep operating like a bush-league club.


Totally agree.


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