What about Fraser Brown?

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If Andy Mac gets the gig I really want him to do a great job.

To the best of my knowledge Steven Trigg doesn't. Steve Rosich doesn't. Does Stuart Fox? Is Andrew McKay any less credentialed for a CEO job than Brendon Gale?

I'd like a fresh start and would prefer McKay doesn't get the job, but there are some outlandish statements on here that really don't help the argument against him. And 'just a vet' is as bad as any of them. He's no more 'just a vet' than Steve Rosich is 'just an accountant'.

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yeah! we need the vet to be our CEO.... cos hes the best CEO in Australia.....

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Stuart Fox learned underneath Brian Cook.

Brendan Gale is studied and completed a law degree.

I would rather an accountant or lawyer running my club than a vet who has focused on footy ops/management. Not only that - by any measure in his current role at Carlton has botched the job he supposedly has expertise in.

So he's got no skill to fix up the mess that is currently our footy department, seeing as he's played a key role in stuffing it up. He has no experience in the other side of the game, because prior to this role he was working in a footy based role for the AFL.

What in any of that suggests he's remotely qualified to take on the role in such a critical time?

I ahve to beleive that the board looks at the current situation and realises what they need - a new head of footy ops who actually knows what he is doing, and a CEO focusing solely on fixing up the non-footy areas within the club. McKay fits neither of those two criteria.

i think if this happens....it might mean that...
we have gone for a pretend process just as the afl did...with the same headhunting firm....because we want to keep things in house.
meaning... there would be too many skeletons in our closet for this club to open itself right up
just as there is with the afl i suggest
the pretend process to rummage out a fake process will somehow bring credibility to the McKay find.
just a theory...
Or he will not rock the boat ....

but explains so much about the club

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McKay learned underneath Greg Swann..

His previous roles within the AFL seem like he had the credentials for the job he's currently in. Perception around here is that he's performing poorly in his current role, but I'm not sure if that perception is shared across the football industry. Maybe he's more highly regarded than we realise.

I agree that a new CEO from outside our ranks would be better for the club, but as posted earlier it seems silly to shoot McKay down with such passion when most supporters wouldn't have a clue about his day to day duties or how his performance is rated. And the just a vet line does no justice to his many other skills and previous roles.


To avoid a double post I'll also add that to claim the AFL CEO hunt was a 'pretend process' because they found the 2IC to be the best suited person for the role is just nonsense. It's perfectly reasonable to expect that a firm would go through their process and find someone as previously involved as Gillon to be the best person to step up into the role.

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but i dont think swann taught him everything swann knew......

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so gillon is the best possible person for that job?
dont you think it has more to do with the afl shoring things up with the Essendon* situation about to explode?
bringing in a guy from scotland.. or switzerland might decide to cut Essendon* loose...
this guy has had his fingerprints all over this situation and will do what the afl would need him to do
stick fat!!!

the guilt situation isnt something that can be accomodated without a fight

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I think the AFL have been grooming Gillon for the role for some time now. It's no surprise he ended up being the leading candidate. If your organisation is any good at succession planning that's how it should turn out. Personally I don't think the Essendon* situation would've been a big factor.

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so the afl is well run?

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So the head hunters get briefed on all that and concur that in that case he is the best person for the job.

cecil I had no issue with McKay taking on his current position based on his experience with the AFL.

Now looking at him a couple of years in the job, I'm looking at a disastrous effort at list management, terrible contracts being handed out, poor results on field and poor engagement between the footy dept and other areas of the clubs (perfect eg the training session disaster earlier this year). I'm looking at mixed messages coming from mcKay vs Malthouse at various stages. McKay has to bear some level of responsibility in all of those areas. I haven't even mentioned questionable injury management (well I guess I just did ).

And as for learning from Swann. Swann made no bones about the fact that he was more interested in the footy side than the operational/corporate side. I think the current status of the club in non footy dept areas bears that out. So if we've got a less than optimal footy dept, a mess in other areas, what exactly could McKay learn from Swann to improve the situation?

I think the best possible result is to get someone from a non football background to take over the CEO position and get to work on fixing the business of the CFC. Doesn't have to be non-sport, but most definitely shouldn't be anyone with delusions of adequacy in relation being involved in the footy dept. The only involvement of the new CEO with the footy dept should be hiring the best possible candidate to run it and simply supporting that person in a typical senior leadership role.

..no to McKay, as a vet he will know what to do with us.. ..send us to that big football league in the sky..

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What about Fraser Brown's mum ?

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Not sure what the angst is about. There's a vacancy, McKay has applied for the position.

That's all thats happened.

Shock horror! Man desires professional advancement in chosen profession. How dare he.

He's applied for a job, as anyone is entitled to.

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That's not the issue. The issue is based on our recent history he will be given the job without due process.

Surely we can find someone more qualified and more suited. Given where we currently sit it is a significant and important appointment.

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As far as we all know he hasn't been given the role. He's applied for it, which shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. How about we save the outrage until such a time as there's something to be outraged about.

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I guess the point is... On available evidence he isn't up to his current position. So naturally people are concerned there's even the slightest chance that he is selected for a role where he could do even more damage.