limestone wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
limestone wrote:
Stiffler's Dad wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
If last night didn't prove it, nothing will.
Time to rebuild and dramatically.
Judd, Carrazzo, Waite, McLean must retire.
Gibbs, Walker, Garlett, Kruezer, Robinson must be put on the trade table to see if we can get some more good picks. We don't have much other value.
Cut Watson, Bootsma, Temay, Lucas, McInnes, Cachia etc.
This is the most acurate assessment I have seen at anytime during my years of TC membership.
Make it all so!It is , but the reality is , with Scotland and Duigan that's 12 delistings. ( not including the trade list Psych has), so we are picking players with pick 102, 115, 120, rookie pick 55 etc. they will need to delist the players that are not capable of playing at all, Watson, Bootsma etc , bringing in young kids to develop and hopefully replace the Waites etc eventually . It's not gonna happen in one draft. Or 2 , or 3 .
If Waite, carrots , Judd , Caz , etc etc all go, that means Watson, Bootsma will be retained . Need to get rid of the worst first , and then move up the scale . That's the reality .
Limestone your points are well made and I agree. My comments over the past few years have been consistent. We need to be trading etc to try and have 4-5 picks inside the Top 30. That is consistently where the best players come from. Good sides trade up to get these picks.
In a perfect world (and that should always be our target) over the next 3-4 years we should be looking at getting as many picks inside 30. 2-3 picks in the rest of the draft and a minimum 3 picks in the rookie draft plus trying to get deals like Docherty.
Now it's not easy but we haven't even got close to this in the past few years but our list is now the worst in terms of young talent coming through and the tough decisions need to be made.
Agree Pysch, yes you have been consistent on this, and , because it hasn't happened , Here we are !
Stuffed !
I was about to post a long and undoubtedly interesting post on this but you lot have pretty well covered it. The critical thing for me is that we need a strategic plan that takes effect from this week. All other Kernahan-based plans have to be re-thought from scratch and realistic objectives set. That means a realistic appreciation of where we are now.
Synbad is a fan of an external review and maybe that's needed. Someone like Parko, who is a Carlton man but realistic and maybe Lingy or Kirk. Or both. From outside, successful clubs of recent years.
I agree with Psych, which is pretty unusual in itself but I also agree with those who are calling for a bit of caution. Except for the scenario where we trade players (all of those mentioned if needs be) for draft picks in the top 30. Even if we do multiple club deals.
I don't even care if they go to clubs and win flags there. We aren't going to win one any time soon and someone has to win them. We may have to go the Collinwood 1996 route and send players to surgery now, bottom out to get a top 5 pick, cut as deep on paper to begin with as practical and play those whom we think are a possibility from here on until we know. In other words we put the plan into motion, regardless of what it is pr how unpleasant it seems.
The next big question is MM. A decision has to be made this year on his future. If he is not to be the coach after 2015 and I for one hope he isn't, we have to find his replacement this year and put him in as an assistant to MM. Tell Mick his job is to develop the new players but he will not be re-signed. OR tell him he is secure until 2017 and give him a list he can work with. I am sure he is already thinking along those lines but he has too much say in the list atm. Gibbs and Kreuzer know they are untouchable. Nobody should be untouchable.
And the board needs to be all on the same page or we need a spill. Carlton was once famous for its ruthlessness but now it's infamous for its being a boys' club.
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