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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 1:07 pm 
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Swann and Kernahan presided over some of the worst recruiting known to man
Mick deep down will be aware of this
He isn't about to come out in the media and say "thank @#$%&! Swanny and Sticks are gone"

Mick is a mate is swans.
He's asked the question and answered it from a personal point if view.
But the differences between the magpies and us would be huge in his eyes right now.
He would be feeling like a mere mortal.
There is no real infrastructure at this club like there was at collingwood.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:54 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Sugarcane wrote:
Swann and Kernahan presided over some of the worst recruiting known to man
Mick deep down will be aware of this
He isn't about to come out in the media and say "thank @#$%&! Swanny and Sticks are gone"

Mick is a mate is swans.
He's asked the question and answered it from a personal point if view.
But the differences between the magpies and us would be huge in his eyes right now.
He would be feeling like a mere mortal.
There is no real infrastructure at this club like there was at collingwood.


And that's the challenge of the new President and CEO
Club is at cross roads in more ways than one
Will they get it right this time or @#$%&! it up once again by having an antiquated view of how things ought to be done

Kernahan for all his good intentions will, as a suit at least be remembered for "we're Carlton @#$%&! the rest"


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:00 pm 
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Whatever we do - Mick has to stay.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:05 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
Whatever we do - Mick has to stay.


What has he done to warrant a contract extension?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:11 pm 
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Effes wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
Whatever we do - Mick has to stay.


What has he done to warrant a contract extension?


This mess isn't his fault. This mess was created when we had Ratten, Hughes and Ickes in charge for too long.

Mick is the only one I trust to fix the joint and regenerate and rebuild the list.

You won't see any improvement ladder position wise this year or next - and that's not Mick's fault. What you will see is Mick rebuilding this list. It won't happen over night. But Everitt was his choice. Doc came because he wanted to be coached by Mick.

We need Mick at the moment.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:15 pm 
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Micks real value is he's probably the only person in a position authority who can say "look, this is what happens at a well run club" particularly since Swann is going.

Everyone else grew up in the Carlton bubble or they are so far down the pecking order they are invisible.

It's the reverse of how it should be, but that's how it is.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:29 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
Effes wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
Whatever we do - Mick has to stay.


What has he done to warrant a contract extension?


This mess isn't his fault. This mess was created when we had Ratten, Hughes and Ickes in charge for too long.

Mick is the only one I trust to fix the joint and regenerate and rebuild the list.

You won't see any improvement ladder position wise this year or next - and that's not Mick's fault. What you will see is Mick rebuilding this list. It won't happen over night. But Everitt was his choice. Doc came because he wanted to be coached by Mick.

We need Mick at the moment.


Besides some list management points (I agree on Doc...Everitt has been good; Thomas debatable) you haven't identified anything positive about his actual coaching

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:31 pm 
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Effes wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
Effes wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
Whatever we do - Mick has to stay.


What has he done to warrant a contract extension?


This mess isn't his fault. This mess was created when we had Ratten, Hughes and Ickes in charge for too long.

Mick is the only one I trust to fix the joint and regenerate and rebuild the list.

You won't see any improvement ladder position wise this year or next - and that's not Mick's fault. What you will see is Mick rebuilding this list. It won't happen over night. But Everitt was his choice. Doc came because he wanted to be coached by Mick.

We need Mick at the moment.


Besides some list management points (I agree on Doc...Everitt has been good; Thomas debatable) you haven't identified anything positive about his actual coaching


The list is such a shambles not even Alan Jeans or Barassi could make this team a top 8 team.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:41 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
Effes wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
Effes wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
Whatever we do - Mick has to stay.


What has he done to warrant a contract extension?


This mess isn't his fault. This mess was created when we had Ratten, Hughes and Ickes in charge for too long.

Mick is the only one I trust to fix the joint and regenerate and rebuild the list.

You won't see any improvement ladder position wise this year or next - and that's not Mick's fault. What you will see is Mick rebuilding this list. It won't happen over night. But Everitt was his choice. Doc came because he wanted to be coached by Mick.

We need Mick at the moment.


Besides some list management points (I agree on Doc...Everitt has been good; Thomas debatable) you haven't identified anything positive about his actual coaching


The list is such a shambles not even Alan Jeans or Barassi could make this team a top 8 team.


The list isn't great but its amazing the number of people who said MM would be the difference; many who are now rubbishing the list. With Melbourne's list such a shambles Roos has still managed to reduce their points against from 122 last year to 82 this year while Carlton's points against have increasedunder Malthouse.

So a quality coach can make some difference. Quality coaches are adaptable too - Roos isn't using his Sydney congested style at Melbourne he is using a possession game; the point is he is adaptable. MM is using the same style he used at Collingwood. We don't have many strengths but one we do have is pace but the kicking to contest style means you don't get to use your pace.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:41 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
Effes wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
Effes wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
Whatever we do - Mick has to stay.


What has he done to warrant a contract extension?


This mess isn't his fault. This mess was created when we had Ratten, Hughes and Ickes in charge for too long.

Mick is the only one I trust to fix the joint and regenerate and rebuild the list.

You won't see any improvement ladder position wise this year or next - and that's not Mick's fault. What you will see is Mick rebuilding this list. It won't happen over night. But Everitt was his choice. Doc came because he wanted to be coached by Mick.

We need Mick at the moment.


Besides some list management points (I agree on Doc...Everitt has been good; Thomas debatable) you haven't identified anything positive about his actual coaching


The list is such a shambles not even Alan Jeans or Barassi could make this team a top 8 team.


Well said
Hard to make Effes take off his coloured glasses but maybe you'll strike a chord
Forget the fact he's got the best out of Rowe, White, Yarran, empowered Bucks, Menzel, brought over Doc and Everitt and the professional Dale, is doing to Jeff what he did to Yazz last year, got 206 playing his best footy thus far, asensibly put Robbo to HF to use his strength etc


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:42 pm 
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A coach needs cattle simple as that
Hardly brain surgery


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:52 pm 
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Curnow hasn't played since rd 5 - still 3rd for tackles this season for us. says it all.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:39 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
Effes wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
Effes wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
Whatever we do - Mick has to stay.


What has he done to warrant a contract extension?


This mess isn't his fault. This mess was created when we had Ratten, Hughes and Ickes in charge for too long.

Mick is the only one I trust to fix the joint and regenerate and rebuild the list.

You won't see any improvement ladder position wise this year or next - and that's not Mick's fault. What you will see is Mick rebuilding this list. It won't happen over night. But Everitt was his choice. Doc came because he wanted to be coached by Mick.

We need Mick at the moment.


Besides some list management points (I agree on Doc...Everitt has been good; Thomas debatable) you haven't identified anything positive about his actual coaching


The list is such a shambles not even Alan Jeans or Barassi could make this team a top 8 team.


I agree, I was hoping MM could develop some of the average players on our list but unfortunately there are too many that are just not up to it. Hughes and others are at fault not MM. Our recruitment has been putrid, last year is looking better with Everitt and Doc, too early to call on Cripps.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:51 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
Effes wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
Whatever we do - Mick has to stay.


What has he done to warrant a contract extension?


This mess isn't his fault. This mess was created when we had Ratten, Hughes and Ickes in charge for too long.

Mick is the only one I trust to fix the joint and regenerate and rebuild the list.

You won't see any improvement ladder position wise this year or next - and that's not Mick's fault. What you will see is Mick rebuilding this list. It won't happen over night. But Everitt was his choice. Doc came because he wanted to be coached by Mick.

We need Mick at the moment.


Whilst not disagreeing that we have problems, the constant berating of Ratten on here is staggering.

If anything, the results of the last 18 months should suggest that he was a much better coach than he was given credit for.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 6:03 pm 
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A bit tired of the Ratts discussion. Time to look forward. Crucial we get a top notch CEO

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Caro saying today we're keen on Travis Auld from GC.


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Caro saying today we're keen on Travis Auld from GC.


One of the HUN 'journos' said McLachlan keen to get him to AFL house as he worked closely with him in establishing GC.

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Effes wrote:
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Caro saying today we're keen on Travis Auld from GC.


One of the HUN 'journos' said McLachlan keen to get him to AFL house as he worked closely with him in establishing GC.


Caro mentioned this in her article during the week but also said he'd already turned us down. Why would anyone in their right mind leave GC for us right now?


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A bit tired of the Ratts discussion. Time to look forward. Crucial we get a top notch CEO



Doubtful we'll get a top notch CEO until we get a top notch Board. :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:26 pm 
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ratten had use of our only elite footballer at the time... rode him into the ground
the way the game was there and ratts gameplan was perfect for using a guy ike judd.... if u wanna look good
but . .. it killed of the development of everything else.

ratts was a shit coach... a terrible list manager.. and the players couldnt stand him


mick will be here... he has the support of everybody that matters... but it wont be done till next year

why?
because it panned out exactly like he has told them in the boardroom.. this year and last

he knows a new culture needs to be instilled and lejudice whatever his name is will give mm the full support to change it.. as will whoever becomes ceo...
its been a problem and is on top of things to be corrected .. along with the list restructure
i dare say the recruiting and coaching panels will get a shake up of epic proportions...

mick will handle the footy dept his way pretty soon... with whoever is the footy manager
players will be put on the short leash

i also reckon Kreuzer will be traded.

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