actually time wont heal.... wasting an unprecedented amount of early picks ... and having to pick up the pieces is very difficult to get over
as other people have said this isnt criticism of ratten because hes dumb... oh no its not!!... hes dumb! wasnt his fault he couldnt manage a team and a list
its a reminder to this footy club that the powers that make decisions have alot to answer for...
the 7 stone weaklings that have been given key posts at this footy club just didnt cut it.. and the jury is out whether this club will ever be what it was again.
personally i dont believe it ever will....

if youre reading this ratten... no offence.... you should never have been given control of this club at such a crucial time
port didnt allow u
and hawthorn wont even for 2 weeks.

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oh and i forgot to add... GWS were not interested in him also....

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Right at the moment Ratts coaching record at Carlton is better than Malthouse coaching record at Carlton
Until such time Malthouses record at Carlton is better than Rattens the decision to replace Ratten with Malthouse was flawed
It is that simple

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...and it is yet to be proven if hawthorn made the right choice so this thread is going off half cocked. They may well have stuffed it up. Only a flag with that list at that club will prove them correct.

And while Im at it here is a little message to the toolish board on the importance of a thorough interview process
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwasA4gBi2I

Umm...no it's not

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We are here now in the present, we know Ratts wasn't great, no point dwelling on it I don't think.

Keogh is trying to make sure we maintain the rage we had on the forum for the first 4 rounds, and not let a recent run of ok results fool us. Point is I don't think anyone is fooled at all, we have a very long way to go with a lot of people we believe are questionable in whether they will help us longer term.

Personally I think the last 5 weeks are proving Malthouse was a good appointment, as we have unearthed some guys who can play roles which we never thought possible early in the season, and all the recruits (Everett, Docherty and Thomas) look to be very shrewd additions to our side.

Aside from this part though, the off field stuff we all complained about earlier in the season is still valid.

By what measures exactly do you get that Ratten's record is better than Malthouse's?

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A good measurement is surely finals success.

On that, I have Malthouse already drawn level with Ratten after just one season (one win each)

..am not making excuses for Bolton, that I didn't for rats.. ..nothing happens in isolation.. ..but rats was an average coach, it's why a fit and firing Judd lifted us, and why injuries cruelled us.. ..and why after years in the job we are only now sorting leadership and bad footy habits.., ..Bolton could turn out jus as bad, who knows, who cares.. ..I think it's very safe to say in '09 and in '10 Judd was the difference in us getting to the finals.. ..aside from the odd game here and there, rats wasn't any master coach, we usually won or lost due to individual performances, never as part of a unified team system..

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..only a flag?, talk about a loaded benchmark.. ..I guess Kennet was right when he said it was time for hawks to move Clarke on when he lost to swans two years ago right..?.. ..I man, if only a flag proves correctness and alla that..

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Winnings a flag is the only way of being proven right. Anything else leaves it all up in the air. It may turn out Ratts would have been a better option.
That is why this thread is half arsed.

The AFL coaches disagree…..

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..judd won mvp by a landslide, and all year was talked up as future triple Charlie winner, just lost to swanny.. ..did it with two guys hanging off him half the time.. ..murphy couldn't have done it with the pressure and attention Judd copped during those years.. ..in fact, few players could, with only gaz the other modern player to play so well wit so much attention, actually not even him cos he hasn't dealt wit as mic attention cos suns were no finals chance up until now and some games gaz wasn't tagged as heavily cos suns were poor previously..

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The reality is Murphy was voted best by the AFL coaches and his own club.
That shows he was appreciated most by those who have an acute awareness of his role and his impact on games.

To suggest we played finals purely because of Judd is fanciful IMO but hey, that's your opinion. I just don't share it..

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..in '09 and in '10 we just made the finals, Murphy and Gibbs were still kids.. ..watch some games from those years, see the massive work Judd did in those years, he was a machine.. ..don't be thinking of '11, I'm not talking of then.. ..the lift Judd have us was huge, in fact we're still not fully weaned off of him.. ..of he went to a more advanced club at the time of his trade, he'd be odds on to have another flag/s..

..I know you believe Judd is a champion, why then think he wasn't the difference in those early finals..?..

..murphy got off the leash, cos Judd was in brownlow form.. ....in those years Judd was the best clearance inside beast I have ever seen.. ..a contested first possession machine..

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Games won is a good measure
Malthouse currently 16 from 33

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aactually right at the moment ratten is playing second banana to an unknown..... and we dont even know if hes actually second banana... he might even be 3rd banana to two unknown other bananas... hard to say... unless something happens to this bloke too
but if something does happen to this bloke ... youd have to imagine this as some kind of modern shakespearean play and ratten would be the main suspect ......
especially if something happens to yet another banana after bolton and nothing else happens.

but thats where ratten is at the moment....

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