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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 9:17 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
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Whatever happens, I don't want to hear any more of that "worth more to us than other clubs" rubbish - silly retrograde nonsense! :-x


..while free agency compo lasts it is often the other way around actually..


Not that we'd take heed. It never really was the reverse, players are (or were) worth whatever an opposition club are/were willing to give up in trade - no more, no less. It's not as if they literally played better for us than they would anywhere else, it was just code for fans being scared of change. The supporters are no better than the club that they follow (perhaps that's changing now).

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 9:22 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:
We could. Depends who finishes 18th.

Melbourne with Frawley going and a priority pick would really stuff us. Wouldn't mind 4 and 5 though.


Why are Melbourne worth a priority pick and not us? Isn't it all about premiership windows decided by the AFL and not club rhetoric. :cool:

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 Post subject: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:32 am 
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Pafloyul wrote:
The Rhino wrote:
We could. Depends who finishes 18th.

Melbourne with Frawley going and a priority pick would really stuff us. Wouldn't mind 4 and 5 though.


Why are Melbourne worth a priority pick and not us? Isn't it all about premiership windows decided by the AFL and not club rhetoric. :cool:


No one will get one.

Melbourne aren't that bad they will beat other sides, I am guessing they will win 3-5, Iike us.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
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Why weren't we as a club represented at the Los Angeles AFL talent screening day of elite basketballers held over this weekend?

:?

Just asking?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:55 pm 
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Why weren't we as a club represented at the Los Angeles AFL talent screening day of elite basketballers held over this weekend?

:?

Just asking?

Possibly our new recruiting vision doesn't include trying to draft project players anymore?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 11:33 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:53 am 
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Does Duigan count as a delisting for us this year? Just wondering.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 9:13 pm 
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just on list management ... we have no idea.
but as for recruitment .. does this club have proper recruiters all over the country?.
rogers/ hughes/ insert name may have to rely on spotters but who are the spotters?
Do we have proper spotters all over the country in every main city and state or are they just doing it to fill in a day because theyre interested in this thing but the club pays them bugger all?
do our recruiters work with a llist manager (obvious not) to profile the kinds of players they seek?
is there a psychologist who is creating profiles and programs for the kinds of players a club needs to fit into a vigorous training and playing regime to bring ultimate success and help create a culture.?
how do we stack up overall with the collingwoods and the hawthorns in regard to what were bringing in through the door and what theyre doing...?

wht is the program the club is using to get the cattle through the door after screening them physically and mentally and using list management in a professional manner and then developing them by having a great development program so theyre up to speed faster
last weekend i watched a guy who is in dire need of a tank to play the game who also lacks pace and doesnt fit the profile of a runner .. just roam across the forward line against c grade footballers.
i also see time and time again the same guys with the same flaws year in year out...
guys that dont have the appetite to play the game at a high level because theyre fundamantally lazy...
i wonder what safeguards this club has set up to give itself the best opportunity to unearth talent that can help us ascend the ladder

the recruitment .. list management and development triangle must be restructured completely
we know the board wont change much.. we also know micks here for the long haul.. but can we do something about this sector???44
as for the spotters does the head guy go along and watch what they watch from time to time.... to see the kinds of things theyre looking for..as opposed to looking at reports filed.. or do they all get together during the nationals only and backslap some fun/....??

whats this club been doing???

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 9:23 pm 
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put it this way... if i had guys working under me...who were filing reports id want to go out there on the field and drive in with them.. id watch how they compile reports .. what theyre paying attention to.. what things they see as negatives.. what they see as positives
id want to know they understand the standards of what i expect

or are our blokes around the country collating data being paid a pie and a coke like in the eighties and skilled accordingly?
are we a tight arsed club that hasnt moved into the full streamilined professional wprld of recruitment yet??

this is not a reflection on anybody but how much this club values its assets in recruitment on those that make decisions on what comes through our doors.. and what happens once its here

in list management u must also profile for minds... as well as body types and skills
no more kane lucas
no more casboults
and no more bootsmas

kerr
clinton benjamin
raso... what was that???
pat mcarthy

find a psychogist to work with the recruiters before they hit our club not after.. its too late after...

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 9:26 pm 
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you know .. it aint that hard if you put some thought into things mr @#$%&! glesson footy board director...
sticks @#$%&! idiot kernahan
etc ....

everything we do is just pathetic
its so pathetic .... u just wanna take these flower out the back and just go to work on them and their stupidity

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 9:31 pm 
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after going to a game with a spotter and going over his analysis.. id wanna know why he saw each particular player the way he did...
why he marked that part of the game up and why he marked that down...

id be interested to know how many times say cazzesman has done that with the head recruiter in all the time he has been at...
im not talking the nationals here... the game is at one place and they all are foreced to go to that game

im talking away from carnival

would this be a common occurance?
the head recruiter cant be everywhere at the one time so he needs to rely on reports coming in

maybe the recruiter is shit hot and the spotters around the nation are crap...

what do we pay them and what do we expect... i think is the main question here

judging on what i know in other sectors we pay them @#$%&! all and we know thats what we will get back..
underfunded and definitely undrvalued on the face of where were at

but how can list management recruiting and development be undervalued???

only this club can know....!!!

everybody knows thats the lifeline to your club.....

but starts at the top doesnt it?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 9:56 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
after going to a game with a spotter and going over his analysis.. id wanna know why he saw each particular player the way he did...
why he marked that part of the game up and why he marked that down...

id be interested to know how many times say cazzesman has done that with the head recruiter in all the time he has been at...
im not talking the nationals here... the game is at one place and they all are foreced to go to that game

im talking away from carnival

would this be a common occurance?
the head recruiter cant be everywhere at the one time so he needs to rely on reports coming in

maybe the recruiter is shit hot and the spotters around the nation are crap...

what do we pay them and what do we expect... i think is the main question here

judging on what i know in other sectors we pay them @#$%&! all and we know thats what we will get back..
underfunded and definitely undrvalued on the face of where were at

but how can list management recruiting and development be undervalued???

only this club can know....!!!

everybody knows thats the lifeline to your club.....

but starts at the top doesnt it?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 10:07 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
after going to a game with a spotter and going over his analysis.. id wanna know why he saw each particular player the way he did...
why he marked that part of the game up and why he marked that down...

id be interested to know how many times say cazzesman has done that with the head recruiter in all the time he has been at...
im not talking the nationals here... the game is at one place and they all are foreced to go to that game

im talking away from carnival

would this be a common occurance?
the head recruiter cant be everywhere at the one time so he needs to rely on reports coming in

maybe the recruiter is shit hot and the spotters around the nation are crap...

what do we pay them and what do we expect... i think is the main question here

judging on what i know in other sectors we pay them @#$%&! all and we know thats what we will get back..
underfunded and definitely undrvalued on the face of where were at

but how can list management recruiting and development be undervalued???

only this club can know....!!!

everybody knows thats the lifeline to your club.....

but starts at the top doesnt it?


as someone previously mentioned:

why doesn't bruce M stump up the cash to pay for the recruitment footprint profile based on best practice rather than chucking grenades from afar?

recruitment seems to be his big gripe after our standard issue appalling loss

or is that too simplistic?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 10:11 pm 
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and yes synners, the mind boggles

As a slave to the corporate world, albeit got my slice of meat from it, CFC just seems archaic in it's practices

this seems like 1st yr uni stuff


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
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sorry, forgot

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 10:21 pm 
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the oligarchs are here to stay for now.... we put up with them but we dont need to show that were happy with whats going on

ultimately theres a tipping point .. for everything...

no time and space should be given to these blokes...they will get away with ' blue murder'!!!

theyre doing a good job as it is....

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 8:13 am 
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No more "Well, it worked with Pavlich, lets pick up a bottom aged kid that was DEFINITELY going to go top ten next year" types.
No more "Well, if their brother was good....maybe their brother will come to us" picks

At least we've moved on from "We hope he'll just grow 10cms in the next two years and hold down a key position for us" to "Honey, the midfielder's growing 20cm a month"

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 8:52 am 
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The Rhino wrote:
No more "Well, it worked with Pavlich, lets pick up a bottom aged kid that was DEFINITELY going to go top ten next year" types.
No more "Well, if their brother was good....maybe their brother will come to us" picks

At least we've moved on from "We hope he'll just grow 10cms in the next two years and hold down a key position for us" to "Honey, the midfielder's growing 20cm a month"


..and no more "he played a good game against us once" types either.. ..we get too excited by them, and they are turn out duds..

..or we pay overs and don't get a good enough return, a' la knockers and his solitary Charlie vote, that he got for freo vs us..

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 Post subject: List Management 2014
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AGRO wrote:
Why weren't we as a club represented at the Los Angeles AFL talent screening day of elite basketballers held over this weekend?

:?

Just asking?


Getting along to the "classic" a basketball tournament for the most elite u16 basketballers in Vic, SA, Tas and NSW in Sandringham over the Queens Birthday weekend might be half an idea as well given the moderAte success of a guy like Pendlebury.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2014
PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 5:19 pm 
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people say look at port how they where a rabble 2yrs ago .(putting covers over there seats).THe diff erence betwee our clubs is 1 recruiting 2 training .This what we have to fix


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