i cant imagine trainor having the balls to form a ticket against pratt and mathieson
remember mathieson basically just got in... its been the pratt show till now

trainor wont be around for abit at least

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...last one out shut the doors

i was just telling princes park whistler
there is no coming back from here for the blues

its all over as a big club

not only is the admin [REDACTED].. but we have nothing pushing forward
still relying on carrazzo and simmo and scotto and waite ...

how ridiculous is that

id say at the end of the year alot of heads will roll.. but it will still be the carlton culture...

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If you have a look at our draw, we could win the next three and be 5-5, but we could easily lose the last 7, and 10 of the last 12. You'd think that would shake things up.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

nothing is going to shake things up
its steady as she goes
new ceo
new president
id say new recruiters

thats going to have to happen i reckon because they know people want blood

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In 2012 our list was superior to that of port Adelaide

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What if Judd flicks the switch?

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our 2012 list came tenth or something....and lost to ports 2012 list....u should have taken notice.. so should have tony shaw.... and the co-experts

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but according to you Ratts destroyed the club. We were poorly coached in 2012. Judd performed chicken wing tackles and pressure points - again because Ratts frustrated the champion.

All ratts fault - shit game plan, couldnt coach on game day - utterly incompetent and possessing a low IQ level.

Within one pre season, same players, hardly any injuries, and its ALL the players fault (except for Daisy of course because he laid one tackle and did a smother over a 7 week period). And its the Oligarchs on the board.

any chance MM can take some responsibility for anything in your world of blame shifting and lobby groups?

And yes we know we lost to Port in 2012. Port won 5 games for the year. We did however win our first three games of the season and beat Collingwood twice. Still managed 11 wins and lost to the cats by a couple of kicks. And of course our depth was tested with injuries across the board.

What you saw in 2012 was a player leadership problem and poor depth in resilience. Carrazzo goes down and supposedly we are rudderless for the rest of the year. Then the skipper goes down in a clash with dangerfield and again nobody steps up to fill the void.

Maybe MM can turn it around - I don't know.

But the facts remain - Port was a basket case in 2012, on and off the field.

Both Carlton and Port changed coaches at the same time. Nobody rated the Port list above carltons

Not even you remember? We lost to port because of Ratts - remember Mr S?

We can all be Einsteins after the fact.

(and remember Mr S, we must build a team around the great T-bird Thornton, and persist with his 1 tackle per week for a decade, BUT young Cripps cannot even be given a season to see what talent he has because he is supposedly 45 grams overweight)

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He did destroy the club with his lack if understanding

Not that it was healthy. But we waited years to get to a point where we were handed a future onto a plate and he didn't understand how to manage what we had and what we needed.
End result is were now years away..
Sticks and the board have him a job that was way over his head.
He won't ever get that chance to coach a club as a head guy ever again.
Another terrible Carlton tragedy

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Port and Carlton have nothing to do with each other.
Except they're both in the AFL.
Different culture
Different city
Different management
Different playing list
Different stages in development


I'm not sure what point your making.
Ports coach made a speech while malt house signed books so there it is ladies and gentlemen?

Funny...

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Port made wholesale changes on and off the field and now has a brave, young and improving list playing the modern game as good as anyone. And are on the up.

Carlton has a timid, ageing -- and clearly declining -- list playing an archaic style of football and we are on the slide. We can arrest that slide with wholesale changes of our own, both on and off the field.

Will we pull the trigger and swallow some "We're f@rkin Carlton" pride and make the changes needed, or will we just put lipstick on this pig and remain irrelevant for the next decade, thus becoming much worse than any of the crap St Kilda of the 1980's served up ..?

That is the question.

Changes will be implemented and significant that's obvious to all , given the turmoil and dissatisfaction. We must be patient thought , yes I know things have been stagnant for quite a few years , but only gradual and well administered change will have positive effect.
This will be an important and symbolic year for the club's culture at all levels administrative , operational and team personal.
Let's hope they get it right and all is well guided. I'm confident our next chapter will be a positive one.
Go Baggers

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Braithy - they're going to put lipstick on the pig for more than a decade. We need a Maximilien Robespierre to stop this madness.

That's a pretty big statement to make about Brett Ratten Mr S.

I assume that you have plenty of evidence to support the theory that one coach only can destroy a club which is a complex breathing dynamic organism?

That is the beauty of life Mr S, it sometimes offers us PAIRED examples, which can enlighten us.

Two Twins int he Scott brothers go to 2 different clubs, one cant coach apparently, the other is a sheer genius and wins his first 13 games as senior coach, loses only 2 games for the year and knocks off the reigning premiers in the GF after giving them a 5 goal start and losing their Full Forward.

And the Port/Carlton developments at the end of 2012 is another paired example we can learn from.

But according to you, we must only focus on ratts and now we must focus on the board, the president and specific players like Cripps (too tall, too fat). But Everrit and Docherty are sheer geniuses. Daisy worth every cent, cannot even be discussed. MM's game plan and structures cannot be discussed, the great Robert Wiley cannot be discussed.

Oh no ladies and gentlemen, we must attack Cappuano and Barker for being there too long, but the genius appointment of Brad Green by MM must be kept off the radar.

If the Blues are to come out of this a stronger club, which they will, it will take a united front from top to bottom - president to members and everyone in between.

But according to you the club has not only been destroyed by Ratts, but it has been PERMANENLTY destroyed.

there is nothing anyone can do ladies and gentlemen

(I reckon we will improve as a team over the course of the year, and win a lot more games - could be wrong, just a gut feel. I cant go on what the players will do, because they have lost my trust as a supporter)

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I hope Essendon* folds.

My biggest fear for the club. Is there anyone at ours or the club's disposal who can start the revolution?

Hawthorn supporters are pretty happy with Ratts. Came to the club with mids perceived as slow and cumbersome with ball use. His one-on-one training is second to none and a major reason why Mitchell, Sewell and Lewis found time and space with pill in hand and now have a 2013 Premiership. No Carlton player (including Judd) would deny how good Ratts is at this type of coaching. Bell, Cripps etc could use Ratts' coaching...maybe why they went after Brad Green?

yes but hes not managing their system is he?
i think alistair has that under control....

hes an assistant coach.. gets told what to do.. and follows.
doesnt mean hes not doing anything... just means he doesnt call the shots about whats going on
clarkson is an accountable person.. pus hes been to school.

but getting back to crets ... who are the players we have coming through ...

each year you need players coming through ,,, at least 2 or 3.. where are ours???

im not talking about meat and potato types...

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I remember Mitchell, Sewell and Lewis being pretty decent prior to 2013.
No doubt Ratts is a great coach and asset to the Hawks. He failed at Carlton as a head coach.

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