whether daisy does extra 1% for the coach shouldnt matter.
what matters is he comes to this club and last week put a wicked tackle on .. and hes not a huge bloke
this week he does a great smother and spoil
but he didnt learn it at carlton.. he learnt it under the carlton coach elsewhere
hes not particularly big or particularly defensive

but what he does show is what u need to do to win games of footy

not all these things are done with the ball in your hand

and we need more doing these kinds of things...

we didnt get them under ratts....

now if you blokes can illustrate how our best players were playing sacrificial fotball under ratten and how we didnt sucumb when the pressure was on... ill see ur point...

the rest is just hitchiking in the shower stuff....

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So did pagan, and MM had a decade with the Pies and excellent financial resources.

Brett awaits your written apology Mr S.

Hawks improved their midfield last year Mr S which enabled them to get over the cats in a Preliminary and sneak home against the robotic Lyon clowns on GF day...

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keeping in mind the guy is nursing a shoulder thats not 100%

thats the type of footy im expecting from everyone...

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can someone ban this bloke????

your showing me a photo of an assistant coach

howabout some facts!!!

did ratten had a battle hardened team prepared for afl footy or not???

in over FIVE years of coaching!!!

all i see in that photo is a bloke being told whats expected by a head coach

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mr S, here we see the masters at work

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at the blues Ratts was given special training and being paid for it in the deserts of Sudan

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At least in that photo hes sitting pretty tall
In the photo with Clarkson he is bending over to be same height as 5 ft nothing Clarkson
The photo tells alot about whos in charge there..... and who is the go -fer

Ratten should be talking to Clarkson all high and mighty looking down on him if he had any kind of confidence.Instead he bowed headed bringining himself down to the little mans stature.
Some little men are very poweful figures. Alexander the Great was just over 5 t tall.. and Napolean the same.Clarkson is another...

But they walk pretty tall and people follow.

My image of Ratten over 5 years was eating jelly snakes... would be more impressive if he ate the real thing.

His players didnt wanna follow him.
time will tell what Malthouse will do here.

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But now you are saying A COACH cant make the cattle drink...

Ratten must have been a hypnotist like the Great Stephen Dank...

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Bullshit.

Your pointing to one or two acts by Thomas as proof that MM is the difference.

Sorry, but these guy's have not shown anymore ATM than they did under Ratten.

Stop going back there. It's gone, all this is now MM's.

You need Thomas to be the reason we won Synbad,, not Murphy's game, not Brock, not Menzel, certainly not Rowe or Waite or White or Warnock.

It's pathetic and transparent.

I like Thomas, not sure we should have grabbed him during a rebuild.

MELBOURNE
4-2.

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So a coach, in your opinion "got some things wrong"... as they all do... every week... during the course of a game

Still can't see how it's the worst coaching exhibition since 1970... be specific

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yes we should be ready to challenge for a second semi final berth, by 2023. I am sure you will give MM at least a decade to get his process right. Even though the problem the team had for his first 18 months were the basics. You know primary school football stuff.

And ladies and gentlemen, we must remember that MICK MALTHOUSE doesnt actually know where this intensity is coming from in the past two weeks - although he has noticed that our tackle count has been very good over the past two weeks. Very mysterious this game.

Supreme intellectual Genius. Why couldnt dumb ratts think of that?

And by 2013 Swann would have signed up Nick Maxwell, Cloke, another Swann and O'Brien under a Russian name, on 13 million dollar 3 year deals. If he can persuade Nathan Buckley to cross over as assistant coach, and Wes Fellows as ruck coach, we may even snag a flag by the end of the 2020s ladies and gentlemen.

We should build a statue outside Princes Park of Daisy, just for that tackle Ladies and Gentlemen. Incredible stuff daisy - 700k for a tackle

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To be fair to MM, only Ian Stewart's 3rd game as senior coach of the Blues in the mid 70s was worse than yesterday's performance by MM in the box.

(As far as being specific is concerned, I am like MM - "I have no idea where this is coming from")

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The last few pages of this thread have been diabolical to say the least. A few people need to drop the crack pipe and switch off the computer. Lock thread for a few days til the stupid wears off...

I dont want to get into the MM is better than Ratts debate,

I just want success who ever the coach may be !!

But, over the last couple of weeks, I have lost count how many fellow Carltonians
have mentioned that the team "seem" to playing a Ratts style of footy !

Peoples thoughts ?

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Couldnt agree more Scotty. This childish rant taking place is ridiculous. Fwiw I have agreed and disagreed with Synbad on occasions over the years, however I think a lot of his calls over the years are justified and ring true.. That never say die attitude, that fight yesterday is something I haven't seen from Carlton in a long time, how many games like that under Ratts and last year under Mick would we have wilted and rolled over backwards. That's an attitude thing, a confidence thing. People like cretylus etc sorry to say you've got your head up your ass if you can't see that and your argument doesn't hold up... We had one good year, 2011 where we had the confidence and attitude of a good side, as soon as we got injuries and Judd was out of form that went by the wayside... Not enough accountability from our b and c graders to consistently put in going both ways.. Malthouse has been a terrific leader and coach for30 years in the game.. Leadership is something we have struggled with dearly... List management has been an issue.. A whole number of factors that contributed before MM got here... Let's see the bigger picture instead of a wankfest stupid argument for the sake of taking potshots... For now I'm going to enjoy that win and you boys can continue your little game

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Mark McLure said it all ... went something like this ... when we play that stupid slow mark and kick style up the boundry ... we look and play crap! When we take the game on ... move the ball fast we look and are good.

If Dr Strangelove promotes this change ... I will get on board. I am not convinced he is the man to take us forward ... he has made so ... so many stuff ups ... but maybe something can be gained out of this disaster of an appointment.

The MC is another issue needing immediate and long term change.

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

I'm not buying into this worst coaching performance crap, its just baiting for the sake of an argument.
I will comment on the Dale Thomas carry on though.
Yes it was a "match saving" smother by Thomas but it was match saving because we were still in the game.
We were still in it because blokes like Marc Murphy had 11 tackles, 32 possessions, 9 clearances etc. Murphy cops a lot of shit on this site but when fit, he's a far more complete footballer than Thomas.
His 23 tackles over the past fortnight eclipse any similar efforts Thomas has served up over his career. Not to mention his significantly superior possession and clearance numbers.

So yes, Thomas put in a great smother at the 25 minute mark of the last quarter but Marc Murphy and several others deserve more credit for the fact we were still in contention.
Dale Thomas is still just a hard working average footballer with very average skills. That 600 or 700k or whatever we paid would have been better spent elsewhere.

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i think ur a tripper
i wrote a couple of weeks ago what MM thought was a massive problem of the team....
TWO) he comes from a flag where he had blokes working for each other
THREE) we have seen more sacrificials by thomas in 2 games than any other big name player we have.

There is nothing bullshit in that.

Tell me when our team was known for not being downhill skiers in the last decade.

You cant can you???

you can say bullshit all you like.. but facts are facts.....

We have a team that finds it weird to do all the things Thomas does at the top end.

And its not just the spoils , the smother and the tackle.... watch his running ..back and forth.....
Its clear he doesnt come from the Carlton system of elite footballers....

Thats something that he didnt teach himself .

Youll see the effect he will have on the others....
Its actually rude to stand back and let one guy do all that and the others not to follow.
We got Juddy a Butler in McLEan .. he wasnt there for the whole team ..we got him in to quote Ratten "To help the Champ"
Thats not how you wanna resurrect a footy club.. you dont agree do you????

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I agree

My argument is that the senior coaching position, is not in the list of 8 critical areas that foster long term success and a durable culture and leadership foundation at a club. (although a senior coach can inflict damage to club culture and to individual players - but not irreversible damage luckily. So far MM has been fairly neutral, cautious and conservative. This could be a good thing, because the players may finally WAKE UP and realise that a big responsibility lays on their shoulders. They dont have an infinite amount of time to success at this level. the worse thing the club can do now is switch coaches AGAIN. that will not solve the player issues. We need to deal with the reality of the Hawks laughing at us every time we played them since Clarkson took over in 2007. That is just one example of where we have been as a club over the past decade - and the AFL sanctions and penalties in 2002/3 have nothing to do with the state we are in)

Actually MM largely agrees with this mentality - He has often said, its NOT about me, or one individual player or official at the club. His catch cry is "process" which I also agree with. (he hasn't quite spelt out what the process is to the public. Perhaps MM is a member of the YCP Think Tank?)

I remember the dominator tapping Peter Satori on the head with his boot outside Princes Park on oval number 1, during a preseason intra club practice match and telling him "get up there is nothing wrong with you"

I know the game is different now, and its more professional etc, but the basics havent changed.

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