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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 3:31 pm 
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Problem with Fahour is that he doesn't engender the support of those around him.
Good operator but I reckon Sayers would be a better version.
Don't know much about MLG.
I worry a little about the Young Professionals in the context of the Board - remember the Blue Suits?? This is not the breeding ground for Board leaders that some members believe it to be. It is great for some things but not that.

We need a good strong, smart, independent leader with business experience but open to the thoughts of a SMALL group of equally strong, smart, independent leaders. 7-8pp would be ideal. If they could work together, wouldn't mind seeing Sayers, Fahour, Elliot amongst them.
Agree with Caro - think the time has come for the likes of Gleeson, Geminder, Mathieson and Fried. These guys should be supporting the club from outside the Board as most of the Carltonians used to do, ...I think.

First step for us is to refresh/reorganise the Board. Then recruiting/development teams, coaches, then players... In that order. (Arrange with Mick to reassess performance May-June) next year by which stage we will need to see evidence of an upward trajectory. No need to extend contract or sack him before then.)


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 3:35 pm 
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4thchicken wrote:
Its official now - Just got an email from the club stating that Mark LoGiudice will be the new prez as of 23rd June


Yep, just received it. Happy with that. He sounds like he has some pretty good experience and connections but hopefully is strong enough to lead independently, but not autocratically:

"Mark has been a lifelong Carlton member and a supporter of the coterie group ‘Carltonians’ for more than 19 years. He is a strong businessman with a wealth of experience. He chairs our Club Member Venues Sub-committee and is an integral part of our Finance, Audit and Risk Sub-committee."


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:04 pm 
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kaxsta wrote:
Caro telling it how it is....

Blues crying out for off field leadership


That's a sobering and sadly all too familiar article.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:08 pm 
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Sobering because it's in a newspaper and not just on an internet forum?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:13 pm 
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Sobering because it's in a newspaper and not just on an internet forum?


Yeah, probably, in that the outside world knows too.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:29 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
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Sobering because it's in a newspaper and not just on an internet forum?


Yeah, probably, in that the outside world knows too.


It's not as if Caroline had to do much research....


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:13 am 
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Good article. Loved the bit about Gleeson.......ouch!!!!

Why the wraps about Fahour? Not knocking the bloke because I don't know much about him but what does he stand for?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:19 am 
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Obviously Carro is totally unaware of the elite supreme gene pool and sublime intellect contained in the newly formed, restricted membership secretive agenda Young Carlton Professionals think tank.

The new Pharaoh will surely rise from this group.



Ha ha. Nah better off a president from a totally open, fully inclusive, non restrictive group like the Carltonians.

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I think you'll find its pronounced Farouhhhhh....

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Monty Burns wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
Obviously Carro is totally unaware of the elite supreme gene pool and sublime intellect contained in the newly formed, restricted membership secretive agenda Young Carlton Professionals think tank.

The new Pharaoh will surely rise from this group.



Ha ha. Nah better off a president from a totally open, fully inclusive, non restrictive group like the Carltonians.


Nah, just get someone who can do the job and actually wants the presidency medium to long term.

Port are doing well ATM aren't they ladies and gentlemen. At the end of 2012, their list was considered one of the poorest in the league and the finances of the club were desperate. Hinkley has been the best coach in 2013 and so far this year.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:52 am 
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but you wanted roos....

didnt you want roos????

u never once mentioned hinkley... u said roos....!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:29 pm 
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but you wanted roos....

didnt you want roos????

u never once mentioned hinkley... u said roos....!!!


I wanted us to set up a panel to chase the best coach available in the country that suits our needs. And that included the assistant roles and other footy department positions.

In the end, the media and the club were implying that MM had the job with Roos also being sounded out. Personally I didn't want either, but if I had a choice I thought Roos could help with our defensive game.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:35 pm 
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We need to get the assistant roles spot on.

The hawks in 2013 and so far this year have had the most productive midfield. This year the hawks are already leading the competition in centre breaks and they dint even have an elite ruckman, or tandem ruck pair like the eagles.

That's all the work of Ratts. The hawks identified why the swans knocked them off in the 2012 GF, and appointed Ratts who is an attacking midfield advocate. The hawks already knew how to run both ways and do the basics like tackling, so Ratts's job was simply to release the shackles a bit and get them to run forward a bit and create score board pressure from the midfield.

Hinkley clearly the leagues best coach last year and this year. IMO

He is getting the best out of his oust of players. A list that was rated as one of the poorest in the league in 2012

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:49 pm 
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I think the Hawks Midfield work much much harder than ours. Think that is the difference rather than Ratten magically fixing their midfield up.

Cmon Peoples Seriously.

Comparing Hawthorn to us. Poles apart in work rate and skill......

We can have all the best coaches in the world and it does not matter till the players workrate is there. I do agree however that the coach needs to find a way to motivate players or scare players into this workrate.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:17 pm 
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Fahour had Pratt Support but lost the votes of the other members when he wasn't willing to commit more than a few hours a week.
So, not sure what that says about Oligarch control or whether it is rule by Committee


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 1:20 pm 
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Cretylus wrote:
We need to get the assistant roles spot on.

The hawks in 2013 and so far this year have had the most productive midfield. This year the hawks are already leading the competition in centre breaks and they dint even have an elite ruckman, or tandem ruck pair like the eagles.

That's all the work of Ratts. The hawks identified why the swans knocked them off in the 2012 GF, and appointed Ratts who is an attacking midfield advocate. The hawks already knew how to run both ways and do the basics like tackling, so Ratts's job was simply to release the shackles a bit and get them to run forward a bit and create score board pressure from the midfield.

Hinkley clearly the leagues best coach last year and this year. IMO

He is getting the best out of his oust of players. A list that was rated as one of the poorest in the league in 2012


If you can't see the difference between a good midfield assitant coach (Ratten) and a good head head coach (Hinkley, Malthouse, Roos), you are not a very good judge of ability or personel. I am glad Ratten is finally doing a proper coaching apprentiship


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:43 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
Fahour had Pratt Support but lost the votes of the other members when he wasn't willing to commit more than a few hours a week.
So, not sure what that says about Oligarch control or whether it is rule by Committee

so the cut off hours the board required from the president was 20 hours?
he needs to clock on and off???

the president shouldnt have to do any structured hours.. he just needs to set the club in the right direction
im not sure kosche told them he was going to spend 20 hours a week at port.

basically the board didnt ever want ahmed.. and that was their way out ....
they cant say.. we hate your guts fahour!!!... they said it in a polite manner

i doubt mark will be clocking on and off 20 hours per week either

basically it was fahour over their dead bodies... too bad that didnt happen...

i like to see a guy who expects results and people tremble in fear around if they arent performing
having said that.. hes fantastic with achievers

might have changed the landscape around the club from mediocre to achievers.

hed certainly weed out the weak.. maybe thats what they were afraid of

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:01 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
We need to get the assistant roles spot on.

The hawks in 2013 and so far this year have had the most productive midfield. This year the hawks are already leading the competition in centre breaks and they dint even have an elite ruckman, or tandem ruck pair like the eagles.

That's all the work of Ratts. The hawks identified why the swans knocked them off in the 2012 GF, and appointed Ratts who is an attacking midfield advocate. The hawks already knew how to run both ways and do the basics like tackling, so Ratts's job was simply to release the shackles a bit and get them to run forward a bit and create score board pressure from the midfield.

Hinkley clearly the leagues best coach last year and this year. IMO

He is getting the best out of his oust of players. A list that was rated as one of the poorest in the league in 2012


If you can't see the difference between a good midfield assitant coach (Ratten) and a good head head coach (Hinkley, Malthouse, Roos), you are not a very good judge of ability or personel. I am glad Ratten is finally doing a proper coaching apprentiship


Agree with that...

It was clear that Ratts was not improving fast enough as a senior coach to stay in the caper. He wouldn't be the first to fail llike that.

But he was always a good assistant coach with a well defined role to play in a club. Before coming to s he was assistant coach at melbourne and coached in sth Australia. Unlike Hid who walked in and thought he could Chemically snag a flag via a short cut route

Did wonders at the hawks. Exactly what they needed. They'd why they had hunted him.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:13 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
Fahour had Pratt Support but lost the votes of the other members when he wasn't willing to commit more than a few hours a week.
So, not sure what that says about Oligarch control or whether it is rule by Committee

so the cut off hours the board required from the president was 20 hours?
he needs to clock on and off???

the president shouldnt have to do any structured hours.. he just needs to set the club in the right direction
im not sure kosche told them he was going to spend 20 hours a week at port.

basically the board didnt ever want ahmed.. and that was their way out ....
they cant say.. we hate your guts fahour!!!... they said it in a polite manner

i doubt mark will be clocking on and off 20 hours per week either

basically it was fahour over their dead bodies... too bad that didnt happen...

i like to see a guy who expects results and people tremble in fear around if they arent performing
having said that.. hes fantastic with achievers

might have changed the landscape around the club from mediocre to achievers.

hed certainly weed out the weak.. maybe thats what they were afraid of


Well put Mr S...

The oligarchs wanted a very specific type of president


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:22 pm 
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Damn you oligarchs hell bent on destroying the Club!!!

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