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Excellent thread and some great points made. My 2 bobs worth:

1. Financials. Although we do not know the inner workings of the financials, the bottom line is that we inherited some decisions from the former board which had placed the very existance of the club in jeopardy. Specifically the Legends stand, and its long term impact. A finacial plan was created that would have seen us emerge well in 2 years time. In fact half way through the season we were ahead of budget. Poor form resulting in poor crowds in the second half of the year, plus some un-forseen expenses will mean we end up around $1 behind budget this year. The board will tell you that nothing could have been done about this other than better on field performance - ie it was the players fault. This is partly true, but the supposed strength of our board is its financial management capability. We were told that with Smorgon, Rose, Wilson and Mathieson we had the financial smarts to never again be in trouble.
The real problem is that we still lack a balanced board with the passion, skills and time to devote what is necessary to bring change and positively contribute. Performance 5/10.

2. Membership. I think the results here have been good given the poor performance of the team. Sure they have played the "sign up or we go broke" card, but you get your members any way you can. 5/10

3. Football Department. Masive failure here, and can be sheeted home largely to the board. To my knowledge there is no other club in the competition that sticks its nose into football operations the way our board does. Every member of our board thinks they have a right to make decisions as to the running of the football department. As a result we have a complete shambles.

How many other coaches allow their board members into the pre-match address, how many other coaches allow the board into the closed door post match address? Dennis goes along with it because he has been told by the board that it is what will happen. They contribute nothing to these crutial team meetings, and is just a symptom of the way in which the board sees their role.

The Fevola case is classic. We have a player of 6 years history. The board decides to resign him, with only one board member voting against. Then 7 weeks later, the board, not the football department changes its mind, when the board is embarrased by his performance, and advises the football department to trade him. This smacks of a board getting too far involved in the running of the operation. It also smacks of a club with no clear direction. Flip flopping from one decision to the next in a matter of weeks. We looked like fools to the football world.

They are supposed to be directors - there to look after corporate governance and set policy and strategic direction - not get involved with making management decisions. Clearly we have no long term football strategy and direction at the club. We lurch from one year to the next making decisions on the run without direction or purpose. It is not the boards role to necessarily make the direction or set the plan, but it is the boards role to ensure we have one, ensure it is communicated clearly to the membership, and to ensure the management of the club sticks to it.
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4. Marketing. This is actually an easy whipping boy, that far too often carries the can for other areas of the club that are not performing. In my opinion Craig Richards and his team, especially John Morris do a very good job. Remember that their primary focus must be revenue raising. They did a great job on selling out functions during the year and in rasing funds in a very difficuult market. During the year they were hamstrung by a board who is highly risk adverse, and one particular board member who is determined to have teh department spend countless hours following up all manner of trivial in inconsequential projects that might make him/her look good, but does nothing for the benefit of the club. 7/10

5. Leadership. This has been my mantra since Collo came in to power. He was the right man to take on Jack, but not the right man to lead the club now. He should have stepped aside after 12 months. He will not for one reason - Collo loves the spotlight. He once told a departing executive that the biggest thing he would miss was the media profile. Collo is not athe leader we need. He does not have a plan, other than managing from crisis to crisis or event to event. He is a great manager. He was a great CEO, but we need a visionary leader, a communicator (anyone who has had to endure a Collo Presidents lunch speach will know that he is the worst presidential speaker in the league), and someone who can rally the Carlton faithful.

The very sad news is that we do not have anyone on the board who capable of this. If there was someone, they would have taken over the reigns by now. My evaluation of the board members is as follows:

Collo - as stated above - not a great leader, must step down as soon as a leader is identified who can spend 40 hours a week on CFC business - that's what it takes! It is not an easy get - to find someone, but as Collo likes the job so much, he has done little to really look. In my opinion he should however have a role for the next 10 years as his knowledge and contacts are so valuable. Appoint him Vice - President and let him relax a little after 3 tough years.

Smorgon - A great business brain. Has the ability to spot the flaw in any arguement from 100 paces. But not a creator. Has extrodinarily poor people to people skills. Would alienate sponsors and members in a flash if he were to take over the leadership. Is a fine Chairman of Smorgon Industries and Melbourne Health, but would be a disaster leading Carlton. We cannot allow this to happen. Again, I believe he is a great person to have on our board - just not our leader. Keep him as a Vice President.

Rose - We need people who can positively contribute, not just critisise. Should go.

Wilson - smart person, but makes Jack look like a mannered gentleman. Needs a strong chairman to keep him out of areas he should not be in.

Mathieson - Great business contacts and brilliant man. When he stood, he said it would be for a maximum of 1 year - 3 years on he would actually be a great contributor if he was around the place more. Business interests mean the club comes a very poor 3rd or 4th in his life.

Valmorbida - very similar to Matheison. Was in Italy for months this year. We need people who have the passion and the time to make this place happen.

Diggins - Passionate, but lacks credibility. Too concerned with non core issues.

McKay / Hunter / Kernahan / Pavlou- Outstanding individuals, but not with the business or strategic smarts needed to take the club forward. Must be retained withing the club structure but taking places on a thin board that should be taken by people who could really make a difference.

Ok - these are my thoughts - my opinions - and no doubt many of you will disagree. But that's what forums are for.

I am frustrated because I see so many great and passionate people desperate for a leadership team to come to the club and harness all the spirit and good will that we have. But it has not happened in the past 3 years and it will not whilst Collo is there.

The good news is that I can at least hear the drums beating. The natives are getting restless and change is coming. The more we talk about what and who we need to run the club, the better chance we will have of getting the right person to take us into a successful future, next time.


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i dont think i need to go over old ground as to what my feelings are for alot of things.

1 thing i would like to applaud the club and coaching staff on is this.

Trade period.

In my honest opinion, they made a decision weeks before the draft and they stuck to it.

No outrageous contracts (Whitnall came around, Lappin is close from all reports and Camporeale has left)

They stuck to their guns - big plus for me.

We didnt trade any picks - another big plus for me. I dont mind giving a 4th round pick to secure a player like Saddington. A 4th round kid is probably an even bigger gamble than picking up someone like Saddington that can play, but has a concern about injury. - big plus for me.

I would have liked to have seen a few more trades to get some better talent in the club - but if clubs arent biting then im happy with the way they went about things.

Hawthorn have done really really well the last two years, however, IMO they will have an uphill battle to retain that list in a few years.

A balance is needed - we need 3 - 4 top grade talent, of which i think we are getting pretty close to (Walker, Waite, Fevola, Murphy) with a core of our secodn tier (Thorton, Russel, Stevens etc..) all playing good football to be able to keep a side together reasonably easy.

The way we are travelling and the picks we have secured sees us heading down that path, whilst we wont be as "talented" as Hawthorn will be, we will certainly be a side worthy of playing finals in a few years. All we need it time.

The side i can see us winning the next flag with

Forward Line - ???? Fevola Betts
Centre Half Forward - Fisher Waite ????
Centre - Russel Blackwell Walker
Centre Half Back - Thorton Whitnall Houlahan
Fullback Line - Carazzo Livingston McGrath
Ruck - ???? Stevens Murphy


couple issues i have is im not sure and dont know enough about the likes of Setanta, Raso, Harlett etc.. to really be sure if they will or will not make it, hopefully they all come up.

The one thing i think we really need is a Top Flight Ruckmen and they are like hens teeth.

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lucablue wrote:
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I’m writing this on the run, I’m Carlton God an extremely busy person, and may forget some criteria.

I'm an extremely busy man, I have to tidy up the kids DVD & video drawer. Don't have time to read your dribble Carlton Dog!


Am I supposed to know you or something?


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Holy shit ! The all knowing one actually feels others opinions are worth airing.So what gives G.How come all of a sudden you want others opinions when you know deep down you are the only one worthy of proffering any thing of worth...........Im really disappointed in this sudden rush of humility.It just aint you pal.Go back to your obnoxious self mate.You have become a bland,tedious bore and i dont like it.

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Speedy wrote:
The good news is that I can at least hear the drums beating. The natives are getting restless and change is coming. The more we talk about what and who we need to run the club, the better chance we will have of getting the right person to take us into a successful future, next time.


A brilliant post from someone with considerable inside knowledge.
I agree about the Corporate team Speedy and fear that people like Craig Richards, John Morris, Steve Harris etc will be lost to the club if structures dont change.
They have implemented some tremendous initiatives but their efforts dont appear supported or appreciated sufficiently.
I fear this filters through membership as well.

If Pagan allows the board to meddle in football issues as described, he lacks the courage to lead us.
No coach should allow his position to be compromised in that manner.
He should have put them in their place day one.

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5. Leadership. This has been my mantra since Collo came in to power. He was the right man to take on Jack, but not the right man to lead the club now. He should have stepped aside after 12 months. He will not for one reason - Collo loves the spotlight. He once told a departing executive that the biggest thing he would miss was the media profile. Collo is not athe leader we need. He does not have a plan, other than managing from crisis to crisis or event to event. He is a great manager. He was a great CEO, but we need a visionary leader, a communicator (anyone who has had to endure a Collo Presidents lunch speach will know that he is the worst presidential speaker in the league), and someone who can rally the Carlton faithful.


This is the key point Speedy and why there have been problems with the Board meddling into the football department. You best summed it up as Collo was right for 12 months now he should back away and put a more media sazy and positive person in the spotlight ... such a shame we cant get Fitzpatrick. But Collo has a big ego and likes to get involved in areas outside of the board. This is where i have a problem he needs to let the coach run the Football Department / The CEO liases and the Board runs the Admin and opertations. This hasnt been happening all the time ..

BV if Dennis wasnt there and you had a lesser / Experience wise then Collo would be runing the football Department the coach would be just the coach only.. Pagans strength as was Parkins / Sheedy ect was that they fully ran the football department seperate from the board. When the board gets involved especially with someone who can successfully run the football department then you get problems.


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Anyone have any idea who might be in line for the presidency when Collo goes?

Hope it's not Smorgon.

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phoenix johnson wrote:
Anyone have any idea who might be in line for the presidency when Collo goes?

Hope it's not Smorgon.


Why not Smorgon?

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Why not Smorgon? Well, to say he lacks a little in the 'people skills' department would be an understatement. You don't need to be a nice guy, but you do need to know how to bring people along with you.


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Gotta hand it to CarltonGod, this thread has some superb posts in it. Thanl you to those of you who have shared your thoughts so candidly.

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Why not Smorgon? Well, to say he lacks a little in the 'people skills' department would be an understatement. You don't need to be a nice guy, but you do need to know how to bring people along with you.


How do you know he lacks people skills? Have you ever met him? Are you on the board?

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I've talked to various people who've either worked under him, or had dealings with him inside the club. I think if you have a chat to anyone who currently works at CFC, or has worked there over the last couple of years, you'll hear a similar story.


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Joffe wrote:
JohnM wrote:
Why not Smorgon? Well, to say he lacks a little in the 'people skills' department would be an understatement. You don't need to be a nice guy, but you do need to know how to bring people along with you.


How do you know he lacks people skills? Have you ever met him? Are you on the board?


Numerous times - and JohnM is 100% correct


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The current board has now three years down the track let a great opportunity slip. After taking over from the Elliott reign they were quite rightfully allowed some leeway in making changes. The members at the time would have more readily accepted change and bad news as long as we all knew in what direction the club was heading into.

Three years down the track the onfield and off field performance in dreadful and in no better position. As a member I don't know what the plan is, I don't know what the strategy is for the future. All I can see are the results and they're not good at all.

Can the board please tell me as a member what the plans for the future are? Can they please tell me what the business strategy is? For example why has it taken three years for someone to identify that we need to expand our recruiting dept?

Instead of putting out all the spot fires can someone on the board please look at what the cause of the problems are and deal with them. I want a board who are not afraid to take the necessary action and who have a plan and a clear strategy to make the club successful once again.

Is there another Jeff Kennett out there who supports Carlton?


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Well what can i possible say, but atleast some of you are now opening your eyes and seeing the real picture.


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SurreyBlue,

Three years ago the board deserved their chance and time to re- build the club after the mess it was in. They haven't lost me yet but my patience is wearing.


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Phoenix wrote:
The current board has now three years down the track let a great opportunity slip. After taking over from the Elliott reign they were quite rightfully allowed some leeway in making changes. The members at the time would have more readily accepted change and bad news as long as we all knew in what direction the club was heading into.

Three years down the track the onfield and off field performance in dreadful and in no better position. As a member I don't know what the plan is, I don't know what the strategy is for the future. All I can see are the results and they're not good at all.

Can the board please tell me as a member what the plans for the future are? Can they please tell me what the business strategy is? For example why has it taken three years for someone to identify that we need to expand our recruiting dept?

Instead of putting out all the spot fires can someone on the board please look at what the cause of the problems are and deal with them. I want a board who are not afraid to take the necessary action and who have a plan and a clear strategy to make the club successful once again.

Is there another Jeff Kennett out there who supports Carlton?


Don't want to be too cynical, but all correspondence I am recieving from the club at the moment starts with the line "We are working to a plan" - my reading is that the plan is - to say "we are working to a plan"


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Speedy,

Understand that you're not being cynical but the Club might want to enlighten their members on what the "plan" is.


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Phoenix wrote:
SurreyBlue,

Three years ago the board deserved their chance and time to re- build the club after the mess it was in. They haven't lost me yet but my patience is wearing.


Phoenix, three years ago the board got their chance from me too, they lost me in the manner of which the move was conducted.


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