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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:41 pm 
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Mick backed himself to get the best out of the players and change their softness and their bad habits that were instilled into them by super coach Ratts.
Most players just haven't responded because they're either lazy, mentally weak FIGJAMs (Gibbs, Waite, Murphy, Garlett) or their skills are just deplorable (Lucas, Graham, Robbo).


And Ratts instilled laziness, mental weakness, figjamness, and poor skills ness into the current playing list?

Demonstrate how this occurred.

Rattens game plan was run forward because judd was going to get the ball. No 2 way running, no man on man just run and spread. He basically didnt coach.


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:56 pm 
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Look ...

We needed the Super Duper coach to take us down to the bottom again ... we went from the bottom to 5th in 3 years ... but we just were not good enough ... now we need to go back to the bottom ... The players are learning Bottomology ... its logical.

Also we had to learn how bad a defense can be. We have gone so far backwards in defense ... its now clear ... we can learn from it ... not to mention that Dr Strangelove had to teach our players the great advantages of Bombology especially for our forward line.

So its back to school with the Super Duper Coach. :thanks:

Culture changing ... On what grounds could anyone argue with that?

Its a good thing! :thumbsup:

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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Look ...

We needed the Super Duper coach to take us down to the bottom again ... we went from the bottom to 5th in 3 years ... but we just were not good enough ... now we need to go back to the bottom ... The players are learning Bottomology ... its logical. <snip>

Welcome to the cyclical world that the AFL has created...

You build... you have a crack... then you re-build for another crack... for most teams it's only a few years... then there's Melbourne and Carlton

Ratten has his chance... built a downhill skiing team... all the good skiers are now older and most of the younger one's have been kicked off the mountain

If only he had built a cross country skiing team we may be in a better shape today

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:00 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
Dominator_7 wrote:
Mick backed himself to get the best out of the players and change their softness and their bad habits that were instilled into them by super coach Ratts.
Most players just haven't responded because they're either lazy, mentally weak FIGJAMs (Gibbs, Waite, Murphy, Garlett) or their skills are just deplorable (Lucas, Graham, Robbo).


And Ratts instilled laziness, mental weakness, figjamness, and poor skills ness into the current playing list?

Demonstrate how this occurred.

Rattens game plan was run forward because judd was going to get the ball. No 2 way running, no man on man just run and spread. He basically didnt coach.


And yet we're worse off defensively under Malthouse. :?
Methinks thats another one of those bullshit statements people trot out when they've got nothing else. Mind you, there's no actual data or statistics to back up that nonsense. Just the "vibe" no doubt.

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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Michael Jezz wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
Dominator_7 wrote:
Mick backed himself to get the best out of the players and change their softness and their bad habits that were instilled into them by super coach Ratts.
Most players just haven't responded because they're either lazy, mentally weak FIGJAMs (Gibbs, Waite, Murphy, Garlett) or their skills are just deplorable (Lucas, Graham, Robbo).


And Ratts instilled laziness, mental weakness, figjamness, and poor skills ness into the current playing list?

Demonstrate how this occurred.

Rattens game plan was run forward because judd was going to get the ball. No 2 way running, no man on man just run and spread. He basically didnt coach.


..and what has MM been doing since completing his book launching tour?

Its not just about the coach.

At some point the playing group need to "WAKE UP" and challenge themselves to at least get the basics right out on the field, and above all be honest with themselves. they have generally been poor in these areas for some time now (although I thought that they may have turned the corner in 2011, but that was just a fleeting circus show sadly)

And it shouldnt surprise anyone that our leadership quality and depth has remained stagnant for some time now...easy to see why

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 4:14 pm 
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but who are the players coming through cretylus?
u have to go to the draft... no form fours anymore....

who are the young guns we have?
who are the second and third rounders on our list???

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:26 pm 
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Process-focused Malthouse calls from calm

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-04-19/w ... ining-team

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I'll remain a process coach, so as long as we can keep working to the process then the wins will come."


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"Their confidence is fantastic. The way they've picked themselves up is a credit to the leadership group and them individually," he said.

"They've been outstanding all year on the training track.

"If it was based on training, I think we'd be in the top four. It's hard to judge because I don't know what other clubs do.

"But our training has been very good. Very encouraging, no heads down.”

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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so, mark the ball, wait, then kick to a contest, especially if there are at least a few opposition players to one of ours?

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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so, mark the ball, wait, then kick to a contest, especially if there are at least a few opposition players to one of ours?


................or his really sneaky, mark the ball, ignore the free men and kick down the line so it can be intercepted.

The other teams will never figure it out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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cimm1979 wrote:
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so, mark the ball, wait, then kick to a contest, especially if there are at least a few opposition players to one of ours?


................or his really sneaky, mark the ball, ignore the free men and kick down the line so it can be intercepted.

The other teams will never figure it out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:lol: :razz: :beer:

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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ooh..you are soooooo negative cimm. :thumbsup:

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:21 pm 
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Our training must involve a lot of practising kicking to the other team. From my own observations, it's the only aspect of AFL we've mastered.


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:35 pm 
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chubbyruss wrote:
Process-focused Malthouse calls from calm

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-04-19/w ... ining-team

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I'll remain a process coach, so as long as we can keep working to the process then the wins will come."


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"Their confidence is fantastic. The way they've picked themselves up is a credit to the leadership group and them individually," he said.

"They've been outstanding all year on the training track.

"If it was based on training, I think we'd be in the top four. It's hard to judge because I don't know what other clubs do.

"But our training has been very good. Very encouraging, no heads down.”


If Super Duper Mick says we train like a top four team and we have been outstanding on the training track, is he not then saying he has no idea how to coach this team and is getting out-coached every week?


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:36 pm 
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Cretylus wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
Dominator_7 wrote:
Mick backed himself to get the best out of the players and change their softness and their bad habits that were instilled into them by super coach Ratts.
Most players just haven't responded because they're either lazy, mentally weak FIGJAMs (Gibbs, Waite, Murphy, Garlett) or their skills are just deplorable (Lucas, Graham, Robbo).


And Ratts instilled laziness, mental weakness, figjamness, and poor skills ness into the current playing list?

Demonstrate how this occurred.

Rattens game plan was run forward because judd was going to get the ball. No 2 way running, no man on man just run and spread. He basically didnt coach.


..and what has MM been doing since completing his book launching tour?

Its not just about the coach.

At some point the playing group need to "WAKE UP" and challenge themselves to at least get the basics right out on the field, and above all be honest with themselves. they have generally been poor in these areas for some time now (although I thought that they may have turned the corner in 2011, but that was just a fleeting circus show sadly)

And it shouldnt surprise anyone that our leadership quality and depth has remained stagnant for some time now...easy to see why


MM has forced the club to rebuild the list. He predecessors were incapable of facing that reality.
He has tried to instigate a defense first mantra. Acceptable to all successful playing groups but not ours
Moved Simpson and walker back. Gibbs to the midfield.
The results are not there after 26 games but don't make out make out he hasn't been proactive.
The club for once needs to embrace some long termism. He needs 4 seasons and my view is he will leave the list in better shape than he inherited it and give the new coach the clear run to success. Something he hasn't been afforded.


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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bax wrote:
chubbyruss wrote:
Process-focused Malthouse calls from calm

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-04-19/w ... ining-team

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I'll remain a process coach, so as long as we can keep working to the process then the wins will come."


Quote:
"Their confidence is fantastic. The way they've picked themselves up is a credit to the leadership group and them individually," he said.

"They've been outstanding all year on the training track.

"If it was based on training, I think we'd be in the top four. It's hard to judge because I don't know what other clubs do.

"But our training has been very good. Very encouraging, no heads down.”


If Super Duper Mick says we train like a top four team and we have been outstanding on the training track, is he not then saying he has no idea how to coach this team and is getting out-coached every week?


I'm not sure he knows it's April.

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:41 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
Dominator_7 wrote:
Mick backed himself to get the best out of the players and change their softness and their bad habits that were instilled into them by super coach Ratts.
Most players just haven't responded because they're either lazy, mentally weak FIGJAMs (Gibbs, Waite, Murphy, Garlett) or their skills are just deplorable (Lucas, Graham, Robbo).


And Ratts instilled laziness, mental weakness, figjamness, and poor skills ness into the current playing list?

Demonstrate how this occurred.

Rattens game plan was run forward because judd was going to get the ball. No 2 way running, no man on man just run and spread. He basically didnt coach.


..and what has MM been doing since completing his book launching tour?

Its not just about the coach.

At some point the playing group need to "WAKE UP" and challenge themselves to at least get the basics right out on the field, and above all be honest with themselves. they have generally been poor in these areas for some time now (although I thought that they may have turned the corner in 2011, but that was just a fleeting circus show sadly)

And it shouldnt surprise anyone that our leadership quality and depth has remained stagnant for some time now...easy to see why


MM has forced the club to rebuild the list. He predecessors were incapable of facing that reality.
He has tried to instigate a defense first mantra. Acceptable to all successful playing groups but not ours
Moved Simpson and walker back. Gibbs to the midfield.
The results are not there after 26 games but don't make out make out he hasn't been proactive.
The club for once needs to embrace some long termism. He needs 4 seasons and my view is he will leave the list in better shape than he inherited it and give the new coach the clear run to success. Something he hasn't been afforded.


Ahem.... Long term, is recruiting Thomas and Everitt long term? We could have gotten a 1st rounder for Betts, instead we get Daisy, if I was looking long term, then I know what I would have done!


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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For the millionth time, we were never getting a first round pick for Eddie.
Everitt cost us nothing. We would have taken Giles at 33, so who cares that we downgraded that pick to 39. Getting Everitt would have only been a bad move had Giles gone before pick 39.


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Braithy wrote:
Our training must involve a lot of practising kicking to the other team. From my own observations, it's the only aspect of AFL we've mastered.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 5:16 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
For the millionth time, we were never getting a first round pick for Eddie.
Everitt cost us nothing. We would have taken Giles at 33, so who cares that we downgraded that pick to 39. Getting Everitt would have only been a bad move had Giles gone before pick 39.


Emtwenty, you need to look at it from all sides. Good List Management is about what's good for us and not giving our opposition an advantage.

Everitt cost a lot in the salary cap for an average AFL flanker and allowed Sydney to pick up a kid they targeted. Dare I say another HBF. :wink:

Thomas deal was the same. Not only did we lose a pick inside 30 for Betts but we got a Collingwood player past his best and filled up $700k in a tight salary cap. We also then handed Collingwood a great pick inside Top 12.

It's just not smart recruiting.

In the end we have a restrictive salary cap, less picks for kids, we haven't actually acquired players we desperately need and have given our opposition better options.

Not smart at all.

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