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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 3:41 pm 
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Well im one who would love a review.... i doubt they can make malthouse look bad in any review.. considering what he said on record ... board minutes to the board starting from pretty early last year


I assume that a review of Malthouse and his actions and inactions will focus on his time at Carlton (ie commencing after he returned from his book launching tour in 2012)

Why would a review look at Malthouse's coaching record prior to arriving at carlton? How would that be relevant?

One would assume that Malthouse was recruited because of his previous record.

i wonder in a proper top-down review, how long Malthouse can protect his mate Wiley for? One would assume that the position of coaching and development DIRECTOR will also be reviewed and put under the microscope.

Maybe a review will be a typical carlton response - lets get rid of Barker and Capuanno. we just noticed that they have been here too long

actually wouldnt start till after the book review cretylus.. as u well know ... u cant be eployed till u commence work.... at the time of the book review he wasnt employed by the carlton footy club... u might as well begin his review of his time at the carlton footy club when he played his first game wth stkilda.

look i just told them all.. away from in here i only know smart people and not trippers...... why are u ruining it ????....

or are u just playing the devils advocate... or the town fool or something???

why would someones review begin from before they begin their contract????

i wanna be a hermit!!!!... that way i dont get to deal with this kind of nonsense

ok for the last time... when ur job starts on 1-1-20 it doesnt begin on the 29-12-19

when u want to point blame u need to look elsewhere....

Thats how the world goes.. an uve done exactly the same thing....

u dont commence your stuff before u commence....

its supernatural


He should have been at the club not on a book launch tour. No other hungry young coach would have did what Dr Strangelove did.
Set us back another year and you seem happy about it.....?

I guess everyone including Strangelove were happy with the list and all our problems on field were because the lolly eater was in charge.
Bad decision making by those who should now stand down and those who supported the decision were going through a dull thinking stage.


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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yes it is a bad decision
but the fact remains... that this club has had underlying culture problems of laziness an for an extended period of time.. and it was never arrested.

im interested how mm will attempt to rectify it and whether he can....

pagan tried and failed... no carlton swagger there...

ratts didnt...

lets see if mick can....

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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Don't blame Dr Strangelove for us going backwards ... its not his fault. He is on fire ... after this year ... it will be 1 premiership in the last 19 years ... now you can't argue with those numbers. With leading edge tactics and old fashioned bluster he is unstoppable. :thumbsup:

And while you are at it ... don't blame the MC for continually making dumb decisions. They can't help it! :thanks:

Yep ... we are on track for 2024. Go Blues! :smoking:

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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yes it is a bad decision
but the fact remains... that this club has had underlying culture problems of laziness an for an extended period of time.. and it was never arrested.

im interested how mm will attempt to rectify it and whether he can....

pagan tried and failed... no carlton swagger there...

ratts didnt...

lets see if mick can....


Nice way to set the tone by Michael. Miss out on vital weeks of list assessment and trade week prep.

Bad move by all involved.


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:10 pm 
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cant blame a guy who is the ONLY person to see things for what they most OBVIOUSLY are in a whole era ....

everybody else was thinking this lot has what it takes to win a flag.....

mckay wasnt convinced but he didnt go too far against the grain too...


dont get me wrong... i was against this club not going through a proper process from the end of pagan... im on record as saying dumb decision.

then we kept one of the dumbest guys i have ever met along with sticks as coach for five full years and half a dozen games

thats twp of your pillars right there.. dumb as dog shit...!!!

this made us panic and get mick... but mick and his gameplan are hardly the problem ... this is perpetual and has been rolling from one sseason to the next...

we stumble ... we arent tough enough mentally .. we lack leaders.. our players are happy to do the bare minimum of work...this is something we have had in our dna and not addressed for season after season.. and somehow we were going to win flags

our list management.. our development.. our recruiting have been pathetic

there is nothing coming through....

so of course cubs like the bulldogs will come over the top of us.

who will play fb this week if jamo doesnt play? henderson?... and chb ... henderson??... chf....??/ henderson too??.. whatabout ff?? yes i know henderson......

it was almost bradshaw ... !! remember that.....

henderson through a spanner in our works... as ratts was leading him and reishetteli around princes park

i can understand them.... IF... we had exhausted all avenues to something else... but clearly we hadnt...!!!

thats our club and footy dept at work... thats a classic snapshot right there....

u wanna see our club in action????

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along with pick 12 and a week before trading even started....

ratten.....

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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Synbad wrote:
yes it is a bad decision
but the fact remains... that this club has had underlying culture problems of laziness an for an extended period of time.. and it was never arrested.

im interested how mm will attempt to rectify it and whether he can....

pagan tried and failed... no carlton swagger there...

ratts didnt...

lets see if mick can....


you didnt say that during Ratts reign as coach.

Apparently ratts was wrecking players and his low IQ was destroying out chances with a list that had first class youngsters and high draft picks...

Even Judd's pressure point and chicken wing antics were solely due to ratts as coach frustrating the champion...

The one major mistake I think ratts made on the player handling front, was the running into the ground of Kruezer....Played him against the brutes in the ruck when Kruezer had hardly played a game and was raw...Not surprised at the catalogue of injuries that Kruezer has. A naturally gifted player that understands the game and has a first class work ethic. A work ethic that was exploited too soon too quickly.

We know the issue with Fev - champion match winner, but it was always about him - a circus show with him as the rink master. Should be still kicking goals for us, and surpassing the goal kicking records of Sticks and Soapy vallence.

21 operations over the summer, isnt a-typical at clubs. Depends on Who and what was done. Clean ups are common in joints. Kruezer probably had 5 of those 21.

there are no major operations like knee reconstructions etc. to critical players...

I am personally a fan of malthouse - have always been, i like his approach to coaching that incorporates various ideas and philosophies...

But Mick should have hit the road running with this group. Absolutely slammed them from day one right between the eyes with whats expected of them ON the field and OFF the field...

His first 18 months have been a 4/10 in my view (6/10 last year, and 2/10 this year)

And i think Mick himself would be the first to admit his poor performance so far...

As for the players? Well my view on the nature of this group over the past 5 or 6 years is well known....

I cant even be bothered with them anymore

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:21 pm 
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just see above jpg

that says it all

lol

Look at it very closely Cretylus........

then more closely again.

In that photo.....

u will see pick 11... pick 12 as well as lucas and henderson....who was a pick a 8

see it???

go away and think about it....!!!...

then come back and talk to me about ratts......

and then ill show u more food for thought....

just so u realise what an era of wasted opportunity we have had....

you can tell me about malthouse's work before he commences etc... ... and sausages...
:thumbsup:

one of the problems we have is lack of honesty.....
as supporters also

if you believe malthouse is to blame for family commitments... when YOU do the same also Cretylus...
Malthouse told them his starting date.. they were happy.. cant blame him for it.. after all its family.

something YOU would do ALSO...!!!


but look at that photo very carefully... it says so much ......

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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...there are lots of pictures we can stare at Mr S


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:46 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
cant blame a guy who is the ONLY person to see things for what they most OBVIOUSLY are in a whole era ....

everybody else was thinking this lot has what it takes to win a flag.....

mckay wasnt convinced but he didnt go too far against the grain too...


dont get me wrong... i was against this club not going through a proper process from the end of pagan... im on record as saying dumb decision.

then we kept one of the dumbest guys i have ever met along with sticks as coach for five full years and half a dozen games

thats twp of your pillars right there.. dumb as dog shit...!!!

this made us panic and get mick... but mick and his gameplan are hardly the problem ... this is perpetual and has been rolling from one sseason to the next...

we stumble ... we arent tough enough mentally .. we lack leaders.. our players are happy to do the bare minimum of work...this is something we have had in our dna and not addressed for season after season.. and somehow we were going to win flags

our list management.. our development.. our recruiting have been pathetic

there is nothing coming through....

so of course cubs like the bulldogs will come over the top of us.

who will play fb this week if jamo doesnt play? henderson?... and chb ... henderson??... chf....??/ henderson too??.. whatabout ff?? yes i know henderson......

it was almost bradshaw ... !! remember that.....

henderson through a spanner in our works... as ratts was leading him and reishetteli around princes park

i can understand them.... IF... we had exhausted all avenues to something else... but clearly we hadnt...!!!

thats our club and footy dept at work... thats a classic snapshot right there....

u wanna see our club in action????

Image

along with pick 12 and a week before trading even started....

ratten.....


You just tell the story Bradshaw story that way because it suits you but that wasn't how it went down. That trade was some of the smarter work they have done and Bradshaw and R chelli played their part beautifully while Voss had wet dreams over Brown to Fev.

Mick was off talking about the stars aligning when he should have did some quick research on the list. We could all see it. Well most of us anyway. Those not blinded by lollies.
Micks ego got the better of him.
Now you will say the stars aligning stuff was for our consumption. You are just saying that because it suits your argument again but it isn't the truth.

You are going to get what you want. Kind of.


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
yes it is a bad decision
but the fact remains... that this club has had underlying culture problems of laziness an for an extended period of time.. and it was never arrested.

im interested how mm will attempt to rectify it and whether he can....

pagan tried and failed... no carlton swagger there...

ratts didnt...

lets see if mick can....


Nice way to set the tone by Michael. Miss out on vital weeks of list assessment and trade week prep.

Bad move by all involved.

Do you remember why we weren't active in trade week?

Ask our list manager...

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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The one major mistake I think ratts made on the player handling front, was the running into the ground of Kruezer....Played him against the brutes in the ruck when Kruezer had hardly played a game and was raw...Not surprised at the catalogue of injuries that Kruezer has. A naturally gifted player that understands the game and has a first class work ethic. A work ethic that was exploited too soon too quickly.


I agree on this one (besides that Ratts made more then 1 mistake). We learnt nothing from C'Woods handling of Josh Fraser who was destroyed in his early years. People forget how good Kreuzer was for his age before the injuries kicked in. Remember how he kicked 3 goals in one qtr to help us come back from a large deficit in the last qtr at PA? I believe we smashed his development when we put him up against the monsters right from the word go.

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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Ratten was an idiot.
He wasted time without a plan.
Killed an era.
Between sticks and rats we lost five years plus the time it will take to catch up.

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The last 18 months belong in the same bracket .

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Ultimately the blame lies at the feet of sticks.
No other club has ever had a president so out of his depth.
Board members were happy to have him because he was their human shield.
Crazy stuff...

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The last 18 months belong in the same bracket .

Not because Mick didn't warn them but because because we were coming into our one fiftieth...

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Cretylus wrote:
...there are lots of pictures we can stare at Mr S


Or this one ... but eh ... we all know that Ratten did nothing for Carlton ... and as you know I am a big fan of the legendary Super Duper coach ... :thanks:


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BigBlueWave wrote:
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...there are lots of pictures we can stare at Mr S


Or this one ... but eh ... we all know that Ratten did nothing for Carlton ... and as you know I am a big fan of the legendary Super Duper coach ... :thanks:


You're one of the people I don't know our need to put up outside if here.....
You know before the internet I wouldn't have ever known you...

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Synbad wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
...there are lots of pictures we can stare at Mr S


Or this one ... but eh ... we all know that Ratten did nothing for Carlton ... and as you know I am a big fan of the legendary Super Duper coach ... :thanks:


You're one of the people I don't know our need to put up outside if here.....
You know before the internet I wouldn't have ever known you...

Hehe. Pisser.

I know right. The intelligence is quite astounding.

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