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...along with a typo

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YCP is committed to connecting the next generation of business and professional leaders to the Carlton Football Club and brining a strong sense of innovation and entrepreneurship to the Club to ensure its growth for the next 150 years.

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CK95 wrote:
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From my limited understanding - those coterie groups require
a certain amount of financial contribution. Much more significant
than the $220 to join YCP. Probably a case if adding several
zeroes to the end of that number.......before the decimal point!!!

Those groups are even more exclusive than this.


Yes and no. Sure it's a lot more money to join a coterie group - but it's aligned with a membership. The coterie groups don't discriminate via age and/or employment. Worth noting that the YCP is not a coterie group.

what is it exactly?


It's listed on the Coterie Groups page on the club site

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/club/corpor ... rie-groups


thanks for that

when was that put up?

here is an extract of a short paragraph

Young Carlton Professionals (YCP) is a vibrant, innovative organisation established to introduced like-minded professionals to an influential business and sporting network to stimulate thinking, build relationships and create business opportunities.

YCP is committed to connecting the next generation of business and professional leaders to the Carlton Football Club and brining a strong sense of innovation and entrepreneurship to the Club to ensure its growth for the next 150 years.

Membership is strictly limited. For more information go to www.ycp-cfc.com.au.

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Young Carlton Professionals (YCP) is a vibrant, innovative organisation established to introduced like-minded professionals to an influential business and sporting network to stimulate thinking, build relationships and create business opportunities.


Another typo :banghead:

:professional:

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:34 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
...along with a typo

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YCP is committed to connecting the next generation of business and professional leaders to the Carlton Football Club and brining a strong sense of innovation and entrepreneurship to the Club to ensure its growth for the next 150 years.


Just trying to do what this guy does with what he rejects?

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Young Carlton Professionals (YCP) is a vibrant, innovative organisation established to introduced like-minded professionals to an influential business and sporting network to stimulate thinking, build relationships and create business opportunities.


Another typo :banghead:

:professional:


there's the first project for the Think Tank - grammar and spelling

Are you sure the members are professionals?

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We may not be able to get another Dominator back on our list, but we can try to get the bluebirds up and running again

Surely the second major task of the YCP Think tank?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:42 pm 
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That caption says Princess Park.....another flower typo!! :banghead: :banghead:


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Also Johnstone :banghead: :banghead:

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The fact that there is an age barrier to membership of the YCP Think tank (20 to 45 years) tells me something about the purpose of this group and why its endorsed by the club as an official group.

This isn't just about fostering and developing new ideas (if it was the membership would be open to all carlton members of all shapes, sizes, and ages).

Looks like a grooming pond for the next generation of board directors and staff at the club

There is a small square (submit idea) within the web page where anybody can post new ideas for the Think tank to consider and modify etc...

So membership is exclusive and a Think tank is set up, but allows for a stream of ideas to come from everyone else

Looks like the Think Tank is fresh out of ideas even before it started...

What sort of a think tank is this???

Appears to be some sort of elitist self serving clearing house that is bordering on plagiarism and intellectual property theft...

I do hope the ideas that stream in from the lower classes are given proper authorship and accreditation

Its becoming a little clearly to me now ladies and gentlemen

Is it any wonder it's so difficult to join this Stellar Think Tank of supreme intellectual super humans?

....could end up going underground

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The fact that there is an age barrier to membership of the YCP Think tank (20 to 45 years) tells me something about the purpose of this group and why its endorsed by the club as an official group.



It's so that moshe can't join & continually correct their spelling & grammar :lol:

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The fact that there is an age barrier to membership of the YCP Think tank (20 to 45 years) tells me something about the purpose of this group and why its endorsed by the club as an official group.



It's so that moshe can't join & continually correct their spelling & grammar :lol:



Yes, we wouldn't want the supreme intellectual giants of modern civilization within the YCP executive priesthood feel inadequate as their linguistic errors are exposed for all to witness.

Imagine the horror.

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yes, for the next glorious 150 years ........

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:51 am 
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We may not be able to get another Dominator back on our list, but we can try to get the bluebirds up and running again

Surely the second major task of the YCP Think tank?



maybe some of the young professionals can make themselves useful and cheerlead.The boys can flick the chicks up into orbit and catch them with a blanket or something.
that would be exciting.....

its better than the idea that this club is creating an environment with their culture of creating the next wave of leaders from this mob ....

"we approached the club n 2012 with our idea .. blah blah blah..." :screwy:


how the hell does this club know where the next great leadership stems from???

if this club knew anything about leadership it would know it might also come from the backstreets of Broadmeadows.. and not from Caulfield or Toorak.That person might not be looking to be groomed by the club. How does this club help groom future leaders anyway?

To me its like those Alpha Beta Delta American elite schoolkids clubs and very unAustralian. However, becoming increasingly Carlton.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:14 am 
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And according to the groups own website (linked via carltonfc.com) the board will be giving special little projects to the YCP to work on from time to time...

Perhaps the YCP can look into WHY a big chunk of the membership and the outside supporter base feel disconnected from the club's inner workings etc - in fact even alienated from the playing group itself.

I am certain they will find the answers that the board needs at the time.

I used the term "Think Tank" to describe the YCP purely because I couldnt find another funny term to use. After looking at the contents of their web site material, I discover that the term Think tank is used by the group on their site and in their manifesto of operations (thanks ck95 for the reference)

I can see lots of surveys (most likely internal and secretive) conducted by the YCP on behalf of the Oligarchs. Why is the clubs image so tarnished?

This is a like a grooming pond for the next generation of board directors - a filtering clearing desk to make sure nobody gets on board that may rock the boat or ask annoying questions.

What sort of Think Tank prevents a large chunk of its potential membership to join based upon age and formal qualifications, and then pleads with everyone in the Universe to submit ideas via their web site?

Ideas that the supreme intellectual priests of the YCP executive temple can consider and perhaps modify, adopt and present to the board, as examples of their universal brilliance and sublime creative abilities...

If the YCP is a genuine Think Tank, then collate all your ideas, and send them to the members. Post them on Talking Carlton if you like. Lets have a look at what you have got. Be transparent FFS. Otherwise you will be viewed with suspicion and cynicism. Cynicism that the YCP has created for itself.

They seem to be running the Think Tank is the opposite direction.

The Institute of Public Affairs (IPA) is also a think tank group - its sponsors get the policy direction they want. They are the direct benefactors. They pay for their own propaganda. Nothing new there.

The Corporatised elitist model is not only flawed and self destructive, its undemocratic and based upon non ethical ideals.

A reflection of the socio-political structures that rule Australia today....use another model. (unlikely because thats all most of these guys know and understand - thats why the group has entry criteria - get it folks?)

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:21 am 
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Cretylus wrote:
And according to the groups own website (linked via carltonfc.com) the board will giving special little projects to the YCP to work on from time to time...

Perhaps the YCP can look into WHY a big chunk of the membership and the outside supporter base feel disconnected from the club's inner workings etc - in fact even alienated from the playing group itself.

I am certain they will find the answers that the board needs at the time.

I used the term "Think Tank" to describe the YCP purely in gest. After looking at the contents of their web site material, I discover that the term Think tank is used by the group on their site and in their manifesto of operations (thansk ck95 for the reference)

I can see lots of surveys (most likely internal and secretive) conducted by the YCP on behalf of the Oligarchs. Why is the clubs image so tarnished?

This is grooming pond for the next generation of board directors - a filtering clearing desk to make sure noone gets on board that may rock the boat or ask quations.

What sort of Think Tank prevents a large chunk of its potential membership to join based upon age and formal qualifications,, and then pleads with everyone in the Universe to submit ideas via their web site?

Ideas that the supreme intellectual priests of the YCP executive temple can consider and perhaps modify, adopt and present to the board, as examples of their universal brilliance and sublime creative abilities...

If the YCP is a genuine Think Tank, then collate all your ideas, and send them to the members. Post them on Talking Carlton if you like. Lets have a look at what you have got.

they seem to be running the Think Tank is the opposite direction.

The Institute of Public Affairs (IPA) is also a think tank group - its sponsors get the policy direction they want. They are the direct benefactors. They pay for their own propaganda. Nothing new there.


i say again...all these small groups splinter the club...a proper home ground and social club would open the club out to all.....


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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
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And according to the groups own website (linked via carltonfc.com) the board will giving special little projects to the YCP to work on from time to time...

Perhaps the YCP can look into WHY a big chunk of the membership and the outside supporter base feel disconnected from the club's inner workings etc - in fact even alienated from the playing group itself.

I am certain they will find the answers that the board needs at the time.

I used the term "Think Tank" to describe the YCP purely in gest. After looking at the contents of their web site material, I discover that the term Think tank is used by the group on their site and in their manifesto of operations (thansk ck95 for the reference)

I can see lots of surveys (most likely internal and secretive) conducted by the YCP on behalf of the Oligarchs. Why is the clubs image so tarnished?

This is grooming pond for the next generation of board directors - a filtering clearing desk to make sure noone gets on board that may rock the boat or ask quations.

What sort of Think Tank prevents a large chunk of its potential membership to join based upon age and formal qualifications,, and then pleads with everyone in the Universe to submit ideas via their web site?

Ideas that the supreme intellectual priests of the YCP executive temple can consider and perhaps modify, adopt and present to the board, as examples of their universal brilliance and sublime creative abilities...

If the YCP is a genuine Think Tank, then collate all your ideas, and send them to the members. Post them on Talking Carlton if you like. Lets have a look at what you have got.

they seem to be running the Think Tank is the opposite direction.

The Institute of Public Affairs (IPA) is also a think tank group - its sponsors get the policy direction they want. They are the direct benefactors. They pay for their own propaganda. Nothing new there.


i say again...all these small groups splinter the club...a proper home ground and social club would open the club out to all.....


agree with that - an all inclusive atmosphere, that welcomes everyone.

the club has been driven in the opposite direction in relation to these areas.

For a tiny mossie you think big

Perhaps you can submit some of your ideas to the YCP Think Tank web site?

They need something to do on behalf of their platinum and gold partners and specific direction from above.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:41 am 
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Useful idiots, collaborators and sycophant tools have the opposite effect



This is why the worlds premier Sporting Corporatised business think tank needs a "SUBMIT IDEA" button on their web site....

This is their source of novel ideas and philosophy of inclusiveness

Sticks is being used by these oligarchical corporate puppet masters. A classic ploy to divert attention and manufacture consent and minimize dissent.

A carlton fan couldn't possibly question Sticks loyalty to the club.

A little bit like Clive Palmer recruiting celebrities to run in electoral seats, all around the country. Supreme intellectual thinkers and political activists that can represent their constituencies with honor and effectiveness. Giants like dougy Hawkins and Barry michaels who can attract voters without even uttering a policy or idea.

Yes ladies and gentlemen

The YCP, sponsored by corporations, run by supposedly its cream of future corporate captains, and yet fresh out of ideas before it even gets started...

Here is an idea..remove the membership criteria all together.

What are you trying to set up here?

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Cretylus wrote:
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Great statesman in history will embrace all peoples of their nations.
Useful idiots, collaborators and sycophant tools have the opposite effect



This is why the worlds premier Sporting Corporatised business think tank needs a "SUBMIT IDEA" button on their web site....

This is their source of novel ideas and philosophy of inclusiveness

Sticks is being used by these oligarchical corporate puppet masters. A classic ploy to divert attention and manufacture consent and minimize dissent.

A carlton fan couldn't possibly question Sticks loyalty to the club.

A little bit like Clive Palmer recruiting celebrities to run in electoral seats, all around the country. Supreme intellectual thinkers and political activists that can represent their constituencies with honor and effectiveness. Giants like dougy Hawkins and Barry michaels who can attract voters without even uttering a policy or idea.

Yes ladies and gentlemen

The YCP, sponsored by corporations, run by supposedly its cream of future corporate captains, and yet fresh out of ideas before it even gets started...

Here is an idea..remove the membership criteria all together.

What are you trying to set up here?




Well to be fair you can't have a youth group without some criteria at all, i don't think that is the problem. There has to be an age qualification, in fact 20-45 is probably a stretch in my opinion, i'd be setting it at something closer to 18-30.


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Gab wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Great statesman in history will embrace all peoples of their nations.
Useful idiots, collaborators and sycophant tools have the opposite effect



This is why the worlds premier Sporting Corporatised business think tank needs a "SUBMIT IDEA" button on their web site....

This is their source of novel ideas and philosophy of inclusiveness

Sticks is being used by these oligarchical corporate puppet masters. A classic ploy to divert attention and manufacture consent and minimize dissent.

A carlton fan couldn't possibly question Sticks loyalty to the club.

A little bit like Clive Palmer recruiting celebrities to run in electoral seats, all around the country. Supreme intellectual thinkers and political activists that can represent their constituencies with honor and effectiveness. Giants like dougy Hawkins and Barry michaels who can attract voters without even uttering a policy or idea.

Yes ladies and gentlemen

The YCP, sponsored by corporations, run by supposedly its cream of future corporate captains, and yet fresh out of ideas before it even gets started...

Here is an idea..remove the membership criteria all together.

What are you trying to set up here?




Well to be fair you can't have a youth group without some criteria at all, i don't think that is the problem. There has to be an age qualification, in fact 20-45 is probably a stretch in my opinion, i'd be setting it at something closer to 18-30.


The fact that the age criteria is 20 - 45, says a lot. Who is running it and what's its purpose is.

I don't have a problem with an age criteria if it was for fund raising, even though this is self limiting as well.

But this group is the first club endorsed group that I know of that portrays itself as a think tank, problem solver and innovator and yet has exclusivity in its joining process.

Kind of a contradiction don't you think?

And why the limited access to information regarding this group?

A clear picture of what is wrong with this club is symptomatic in what it projects into the public and to its members. And for a while now it's been very ordinary...very ordinary indeed...

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