Young Carlton Professionals (YCP) 2014

buzzaaaah · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:31 am **Posts:** 17893

I think general suspicion about the board (justified) is making people a bit paranoid.

They may be grooming future leaders, they may be trying to hook people into progressing to coterie groups, but does it matter?
I don't think they will get enough members to influence elections.
It's reasonably priced, and I think the percieved vagueness over the eligibilty is probably so as to not offend people. I think the term "professional" is descriptive enough.
Good luck to them.

dane · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:14 am **Posts:** 22357

It's a conspiracy.

Dukes · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:15 am

I'm unaware of any defined exclusion criteria - be it age, status or job title - and certianly no specific voting privileges in terms of membership that came with being a member. From what I observed at the functions last year there were a wide variety of industries represented and the age range varied between 20s, 30s and 40s.

One of my criticisms is that they aren't specific enough when it comes to the age criteria. As a 37 year old it's difficult to understand how I fit the "Young Professional" demographic and in the end that's why I decided not to join this year. However, it didn't occur to me to take potshots at the group for elitism given many on this forum have been lamenting our club for not engaging with our supporters ... of all ages. Surely this is a small step in the right direction within a broader strategic plan towards better engagement of all our fan segments.

buzzaaaah · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:31 am **Posts:** 17893

Let's say someone started a Carlton Asian Supporters Club.
It is exclusionary, but who would care. The same as if there was a German club, a Muslim club, an atheists section.
Yes they are all cliques in a way but thats OK

bluechucky · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 6:29 am **Posts:** 13689

DocSherrin wrote:

dane wrote:

Let them have their club. They can think tank all they want, what difference will it make?

Is your issue with this something personal?

JohnM summed it up far more eloquently than me. I wholeheartedly concur with his posts on this issue. There may well be a Supporter Alliance next year - but that concept is damaged a little if it has to co-exist with the YCP's group. Will Mark LoGiudice and Ryan Trainor really allocate their time across two groups? Creates an unhealthy perception whether it's present or not. Carlton has wealthy supporters but it also has a real melting pot of cultures and classes.

It also has a University on its doorstep that it doesn't really utilize. Luke Sayers visits every once in a while to spruik PWC and I've suggested to him he do likewise with his role at Carlton. It's not difficult. These things aren't...so why does this club always make it so?

Should hand out a Carlton show bag with a one game membership on orientation day. Will cost a bit but think if the benefits long term.

Synbad · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:07 pm

DocSherrin wrote:

Monty Burns wrote:

From my limited understanding - those coterie groups require
a certain amount of financial contribution. Much more significant
than the $220 to join YCP. Probably a case if adding several
zeroes to the end of that number.......before the decimal point!!!

Those groups are even more exclusive than this.

Yes and no. Sure it's a lot more money to join a coterie group - but it's aligned with a membership. The coterie groups don't discriminate via age and/or employment. Worth noting that the YCP is not a coterie group.

what is it exactly?

Cretylus · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:10 pm

buzzaaaah wrote:

Let's say someone started a Carlton Asian Supporters Club.
It is exclusionary, but who would care. The same as if there was a German club, a Muslim club, an atheists section.
Yes they are all cliques in a way but thats OK

But would the club and board endorse a group that has a membership criteria based upon ethnic background? Can you find an example of one?

Youngness is a vague term, and the group may not even have a official cut off point for age

They may just prefer to call themselves Young Carlton Professionals for some other reason.

We dont know

thats the point we dont really know the agenda and purpose of this group

How do I join if I dont know the basic reasons why this group was formed?

Cretylus · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:13 pm

Synbad wrote:

DocSherrin wrote:

Monty Burns wrote:

From my limited understanding - those coterie groups require
a certain amount of financial contribution. Much more significant
than the $220 to join YCP. Probably a case if adding several
zeroes to the end of that number.......before the decimal point!!!

Those groups are even more exclusive than this.

Yes and no. Sure it's a lot more money to join a coterie group - but it's aligned with a membership. The coterie groups don't discriminate via age and/or employment. Worth noting that the YCP is not a coterie group.

what is it exactly?

Maybe its a self serving lobby group and networking group for members??

you know, we scratch your back you scratch ours.

We dont know - it may need to be infiltrated by ASIO agents before the elections

Heavs · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:17 pm

I reckon GoBaggers is behind the whole thing.

Synbad · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:19 pm

Problem is the club is becoming more and more disconnected from rank and file supporters... and its losing touch with its grass roots.
Their corporate model and Oligarchical setup is a massive reason why this club isnt moving forward.
There is a conception out there that this club is a club of silvertails and elitists.

Ordinary people are not included in any of the day to day runnings of the footy club or its direction.
Its been hijacked by the 10%.

If they think this is the right direction for this club to take , good luck to them... theyre going to need all the luck they can get...

Thats definitely not the direction THIS footy club should take in its current state.

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17219

Synbad wrote:

Its been hijacked by the 10%...

Generous percentage. I'd say 3%

Cretylus · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:32 pm

Synbad wrote:

Problem is the club is becoming more and more disconnected from rank and file supporters... and its losing touch with its grass roots.
Their corporate model and Oligarchical setup is a massive reason why this club isnt moving forward.
There is a conception out there that this club is a club of silvertails and elitists.

.

I am not sure what exactly you are trying to imply Mr S...

Cretylus · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:34 pm

DocSherrin wrote:

Synbad wrote:

Its been hijacked by the 10%...

Generous percentage. I'd say 3%

its way under 3% Doc

My spies tell me that its close to the fraction 57/45,000

and of those 57 only 7 matter

Cretylus · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:46 pm

there is only ONE person who is outside the inner circle that can bring the whole thing down

A long time passionate supporter

DocSherrin III · **Joined:** Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:09 pm **Posts:** 17219

Cretylus wrote:

DocSherrin wrote:

Synbad wrote:

Its been hijacked by the 10%...

Generous percentage. I'd say 3%

its way under 3% Doc

My spies tell me that its close to the fraction 57/45,000

and of those 57 only 7 matter

No doubt you've allowed for an 'heir apparent' variable in your calculations?

Synbad · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:56 pm

i think this group who is supposed to be brainstorming... actually are wrong..
they dont understand whats wrong with the club because theyre part of the problem
their little club actually illustrates in no uncertain terms whats wrong with the club... its a manifestation of whats symptomatic ill about this footy club.
they dont get it... because theyre in the bubble.

the club needs to extend more broadly to its community.. not narrow things down.

its laughable....

and these people with their exclusive little group think theyre going to fix things??... well i guess its great for their ego stroking etc.. they might make some connections.. but thats not about the club then is it???

just more people jumping on the club for their own interests and forgetting about remedying the real ills of the club.

Cretylus · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:30 pm

DocSherrin wrote:

Cretylus wrote:

DocSherrin wrote:

Synbad wrote:

Its been hijacked by the 10%...

Generous percentage. I'd say 3%

its way under 3% Doc

My spies tell me that its close to the fraction 57/45,000

and of those 57 only 7 matter

No doubt you've allowed for an 'heir apparent' variable in your calculations?

...oooops

still less than 3% though

Cretylus · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:31 pm

Synbad wrote:

i think this group who is supposed to be brainstorming... actually are wrong..
they dont understand whats wrong with the club because theyre part of the problem
their little club actually illustrates in no uncertain terms whats wrong with the club... its a manifestation of whats symptomatic ill about this footy club.
they dont get it... because theyre in the bubble.

the club needs to extend more broadly to its community.. not narrow things down.

its laughable....

and these people with their exclusive little group think theyre going to fix things??... well i guess its great for their ego stroking etc.. they might make some connections.. but thats not about the club then is it???

just more people jumping on the club for their own interests and forgetting about remedying the real ills of the club.

Synbad · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:02 pm

the real problem is this
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=33480&start=340

if this club has supposedly 700,000 members
and most of these sit outside of the bubble

and the people within the bubble are brainstorming... the best they can hope for is 22,000 members from inside their 3% demographic
that leaves around 690,000 people who dont fit that demographic

this club used to have a working class protestant demographic.. but was forced to open it to italians and greeks and jews who moved into the surrounding areas to grow.... so they had to embrace all these skullcaps and dagos and wogs who would have seemed so alien to them in the fifties and sixties
Wes still talks about the old Protestant days...
Somehow we have evolved into somekind of corporate elitist club and we havent understood the demographic has changed again and we need to open it more up to embrace more not close it down to what we have been used to in the last 30 years... the money men.
Thats where Collingwood has been successful and we havent...
hats where the future leaders in this club being groomed dont get the club.
they are being groomed same as the players in an environment that is weak and ill and therefore they are doomed to fail because theyre not understanding the wider Carlton community.. and where the world is heading....

CK95 · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:13 pm

Synbad wrote:

DocSherrin wrote:

Monty Burns wrote:

From my limited understanding - those coterie groups require
a certain amount of financial contribution. Much more significant
than the $220 to join YCP. Probably a case if adding several
zeroes to the end of that number.......before the decimal point!!!

Those groups are even more exclusive than this.

Yes and no. Sure it's a lot more money to join a coterie group - but it's aligned with a membership. The coterie groups don't discriminate via age and/or employment. Worth noting that the YCP is not a coterie group.

what is it exactly?

It's listed on the Coterie Groups page on the club site

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/club/corpor ... rie-groups

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