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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:01 pm 
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Mick had a Game plan that was proven a success at Collingwood. He had a formula that worked and brought plenty of Wins. No one can dispute that!!!!

HOWEVER, this game plan of his Does not and will never suit Carlton with the cattle they got. Mick needs some serious reform. He needs to change his tactics and his game style. We have said it many times before, our boys can not play a Chip-Chip style of footy where the ball goes sideways, backwards with precision and perfect kicking.

The best we can do is kick the ball Long and hope for the best. We are no good at playing possession football.

I believe Mick has told the players this week to GO for it. Play an attacking style at all costs and make it a shoot out. forget about defending.... so let's see


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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Well, Mick was particularly prickly on Footy Classified.

I think he was taken aback by how pointed and savage their line of questioning was. Shows like this very rarely put the acid on their interviewee like that.

Still, once he got his hands up I thought he fought them off ok.

What he said was reasonably spot on. We'll continue to seek improvement, if you don't play and prepare with hope what's the point of doing it and of course hes coaching because he wants to coach - i don't think that could ever be in question.

This ridiculous stuff about his actions in the box need to stop as well. As he said himself he's been like that for his whole career. Typical, lazy journalism to try and spin it into a problem.

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 Post subject: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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Well, Mick was particularly prickly on Footy Classified.

I think he was taken aback by how pointed and savage their line of questioning was. Shows like this very rarely put the acid on their interviewee like that.

Still, once he got his hands up I thought he fought them off ok.

What he said was reasonably spot on. We'll continue to seek improvement, if you don't play and prepare with hope what's the point of doing it and of course hes coaching because he wants to coach - i don't think that could ever be in question.

This ridiculous stuff about his actions in the box need to stop as well. As he said himself he's been like that for his whole career. Typical, lazy journalism to try and spin it into a problem.



The stuff in the box meant nothing, I wanted to hear football related things.

What he didn't say about recruiting prior to him joining was telling.

Always the way with Mick, you need to read between the lines.


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:29 pm 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
Manchego Cheese wrote:
Well, Mick was particularly prickly on Footy Classified.

I think he was taken aback by how pointed and savage their line of questioning was. Shows like this very rarely put the acid on their interviewee like that.

Still, once he got his hands up I thought he fought them off ok.

What he said was reasonably spot on. We'll continue to seek improvement, if you don't play and prepare with hope what's the point of doing it and of course hes coaching because he wants to coach - i don't think that could ever be in question.

This ridiculous stuff about his actions in the box need to stop as well. As he said himself he's been like that for his whole career. Typical, lazy journalism to try and spin it into a problem.



The stuff in the box meant nothing, I wanted to hear football related things.

What he didn't say about recruiting prior to him joining was telling.

Always the way with Mick, you need to read between the lines.


It does no one any good - least of all the players he'd be referring to - if he came out and lambasted the recruiting prior to his arrival.

The bottom line is the philosophy around recruiting has already changed under his watch, a change which at this early stage looks for the better. We seem to have recruited kids who are first and foremost footballers.

He's being castigated for the wrongs of the past, carrying the bucket for the previous regime's litany of failures. People can't seem to decide whether we've a shit list or he's a shit coach... I don't really think it can be both at the same time.

Our list has deficiencies, we know that. Everyone knows that. Mick has the task of fixing it, whilst enduring the barbs as he does so. I don't think it constructive for him to come out in a public forum and say it.

He's got to get the best out of the players at his disposal. Whinging that they're not good enough does his cause and ours no good.

I genuinely believe he wants to coach. More than ever. He absolutely still has the fire in the belly, thats plain for all to see, he's absolutely the right man for our current predicament; both because he's under contract and because of his experience. Why we wouldn't want a guy who's teams are defined by their hardness, ferocity and commitment is beyond me... in time he'll have us going that way. It mightn't necessarily be under his watch, but at least the groundwork and foundations for finding the heart, soul and leaders within this club would have begun.

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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are you some sort of spin doctor M.C?
you've come out of nowhere, and seem very articulate, but kind of in a professional spin doctorish way.
Not that it matters,
but
I felt sorry for MM for a bit in that interrogation.
he seemed little and old and fragile.
Then when he started blustering and bluffing and going the person instead of the q's..
I felt embarrassed by him, and kind of hopeless for my club. especially when he mentioned Warnock and Watson as future hope for the club(I hope I imagined that..but I thought he said something good about them)
Also, how weird that he made a point of saying 'as long as Sticks and Swann are there, he feels well supported by the club'. Everyone knows they are leaving, so was he grandstanding?
Is that a mature thing to do when the club you are paid to coach is on its knees?

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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I believe Mick has told the players this week to GO for it. Play an attacking style at all costs and make it a shoot out. forget about defending.... so let's see


The main problems with carlton are low workrate and poor 1%ers and low team sacrifices etc...

when these basics aren't first rate, the game plan becomes irrelevant - you can be knocked off by anyone anytime

To suggest that Mick will ask the players to forget about the defensive side of the game and go for some sort of shoot out is a ridiculous notion...

My bet is mick will return to basics - get them right first.

As far as a message to the players, I would expect it to be "back your team mates, go for the instinctive option, take risks, put pressure on, and when you don't have the ball work hard to get it back

The contested ball is what teams like the cats base their finals record on...

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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What did he say about Juddy...??

Or didn't the frenzied hosts actually inhale??

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 Post subject: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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If he wants to hang around longer than 3 years he has to stay on a greatly reduced contract.
Also bolster assistant coaches and development, which I think is inevitable.


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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bluegirl72 wrote:
are you some sort of spin doctor M.C?
you've come out of nowhere, and seem very articulate, but kind of in a professional spin doctorish way.
Not that it matters,
but
I felt sorry for MM for a bit in that interrogation.
he seemed little and old and fragile.
Then when he started blustering and bluffing and going the person instead of the q's..
I felt embarrassed by him, and kind of hopeless for my club. especially when he mentioned Warnock and Watson as future hope for the club(I hope I imagined that..but I thought he said something good about them)
Also, how weird that he made a point of saying 'as long as Sticks and Swann are there, he feels well supported by the club'. Everyone knows they are leaving, so was he grandstanding?
Is that a mature thing to do when the club you are paid to coach is on its knees?


I'm terribly flattered you think I'm articulate. I assure it is only in type. Speak to me in person and you'd consider the possibility that English is my second language.

I agree that early on Mick looked a bit startled. They really made a point out of going after him, which is good in a way because sterile TV is boring TV, especially when you're sitting across from a subject with more in common with a viper than a sheep. Have a bit of a nibble and he'll bite right back.

I think his attitude is a good one, personally. Imagine Ratts in that situation... heaven forbid. He'd probably just agree with them and cede any initiative his role affords, admitting we're rubbish and condemning us to years in the doldrums.

Malthouse is charged with propagating, rightly or wrongly, as much positivity as he can. He is the face of the club, our mouthpiece. Like he alluded to, what's the point of staying on and committing himself to the role if he didn't think he could improve us? I don't think he's being delusional at all. If anything he seems quite pragmatic whenever I see him discuss the situation.

How beneficial is it to everyone down at the Club if he was to come on TV, the whole footy world wanting and praying for a confession of weakness, and just lay down for them? What sort of leadership is that? He is acutely aware of the issues he - and we - face. He has to make the best of it. He has to be positive.

If he turns up and says we're hopeless, we're going nowhere, there's no hope for the future... that'd be worse than a loss to Melbourne. He simply can't do it. If he believes that, then its just as bad.

He's got to find the answers to the questions we as a club are being asked. If he gives up, throws his hands in the air and says "I don't know" he's the wrong man for the job.

I think we should take a heart in the fact he looks as though he relishes the challenge in front of him. He looks as though he's considering a reality whereby he is the man who restores Carlton to a status reminiscent of its former glories. Driven by ego? Yep. But driven to succeed.

I can't stress enough, and its something I've said a few times already, if at round 15 or 16 of next season the light at the end of the tunnel is no closer or brighter, then his position comes under very, very close review. If we haven't seen signs the ship has been righted and we're back on course then move him on, fine. But if we have seen youth injected into the side (and list) and that youth is developing and we're playing better footy... then the discussion turns to contract extensions and terms.

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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I thought it was disgraceful reporting. Bloody caro going at him about his age, if we were 4 - 0 they'd be singing his praises. Yet typical media whores trying to make an issue out of nothing.

I for one see a man who believes in this team. Can someone please tell me what's wrong with that? Is there anything wrong with seeing someone's potential and helping them achieve it? Isn't that what coaches are supposed to do? He knows they are better than this. Everyone should know they are better than this. He knows their confidence is shot, and like a contagious virus, it's spread itself throughout the team. He's trying to LEAD the way, keep them focused on the task at hand. What good does it do them to constantly remind them they are shit? Would you tell that to your children? Or would you encourage them, see the best in them, see their potential and teach them through hard work and persistence that they can turn it around? That's all I see Malthouse doing. And that to me is a LEADER!

What is Malthouse supposed to do, break down in tears and scream its all too much for him to handle? Oh what a fine example of a leader he would be then. He's doing what leaders do. Take a good look at what the problem is and how to address it. If the team are having confidence issues wouldn't be wise (as their leader) to remain confident? For those around the playing group to remain confident?

I know the Carlton playing group are better than this. I believe Malthouse knows this and is doing his best to get them past this mental hurdle. Its not to say at seasons end we wont see players go and new ones come and we'll continue to improve. I'm not saying the list we currently have is going to win premierships. But I do believe if the CURRENT playing group we have PLAYED to their full potential, we could trade blows with the top 4 teams in finals. And if Malthouse didn't see and believe that, he wouldn't be there. Its his job to see and believe that.


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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If we kicked straight last week we would have won. If we didn't turn the ball over so much we would have won. Our kicking has been quite ordinary for the last 5-6 years. Kicking is a skill that can be developed. Why can't our coaching staff teach our players to kick? That and desire would go along way to fixing our side no matter who pulls on the jumper.

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malleefowl wrote:
If we kicked straight last week we would have won. If we didn't turn the ball over so much we would have won. Our kicking has been quite ordinary for the last 5-6 years. Kicking is a skill that can be developed. Why can't our coaching staff teach our players to kick? That and desire would go along way to fixing our side no matter who pulls on the jumper.



You can only help so much with development once they come through. We picked guys with fundamental flaws when we drafted them.

It isn't as if hawthorn have a magic wand which would make Curnow, Ellard, bell, McLean, carazzo, Lucas etc great kicks.


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Cretylus wrote:
Dodo27 wrote:
I believe Mick has told the players this week to GO for it. Play an attacking style at all costs and make it a shoot out. forget about defending.... so let's see


The main problems with carlton are low workrate and poor 1%ers and low team sacrifices etc...

when these basics aren't first rate, the game plan becomes irrelevant - you can be knocked off by anyone anytime

To suggest that Mick will ask the players to forget about the defensive side of the game and go for some sort of shoot out is a ridiculous notion...

My bet is mick will return to basics - get them right first.

As far as a message to the players, I would expect it to be "back your team mates, go for the instinctive option, take risks, put pressure on, and when you don't have the ball work hard to get it back

The contested ball is what teams like the cats base their finals record on...



..started trying this vs the deeTs.... ..I understand we need to do the basics better, but come on..!!.. ..this isn't the kiddy league, any professional footballer that can't regularly get the basics right is NOT afl standard.. ..and all the skill and flair in the world is just bollocks..

..truth is this, take just a few players with real competitive and combative play out of the team and we're a house of cards in front of a sirocco..

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malleefowl wrote:
If we kicked straight last week we would have won. If we didn't turn the ball over so much we would have won. Our kicking has been quite ordinary for the last 5-6 years. Kicking is a skill that can be developed. Why can't our coaching staff teach our players to kick? That and desire would go along way to fixing our side no matter who pulls on the jumper.


Our coaches see other deficiencies as key priorities. I'm still trying to work out what they are! :razz:


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Poor performing clubs tend to sack their coaches every 2-3 years

The good clubs tend to have consistency in their coaching

Kick has built sides before, he has seen crises before, he has more knowledge and experience than any other coach out there right now

If he can adjust his game plan, which he has done in the past most recently at Coll to win a Premiership, then he should continue. It doesn’t bother me if we take a backward step and he realizes he needs to change, so long as he changes. Consistency is important. Blues probably panicked sacking Ratten. Now we have Mick let’s stick with him, so long as he is not pig headed about his game plan. I think he is a dog that can learn new tricks. Of course time will tell.

Here’s a Qn … Why did it take other clubs 30 years to pick apart his game plan?


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Sugarcane wrote:
Poor performing clubs tend to sack their coaches every 2-3 years

The good clubs tend to have consistency in their coaching

Kick has built sides before, he has seen crises before, he has more knowledge and experience than any other coach out there right now

If he can adjust his game plan, which he has done in the past most recently at Coll to win a Premiership, then he should continue. It doesn’t bother me if we take a backward step and he realizes he needs to change, so long as he changes. Consistency is important. Blues probably panicked sacking Ratten. Now we have Mick let’s stick with him, so long as he is not pig headed about his game plan. I think he is a dog that can learn new tricks. Of course time will tell.

Here’s a Qn … Why did it take other clubs 30 years to pick apart his game plan?


The change is going to start this weekend accordiong to Mick :

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-coach-mick-malthouse-to-ditch-defensive-style-in-bid-to-trigger-response-from-blues/story-fndv8f7j-1226883872586

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