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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:48 pm 
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Even Mick in his weekly message to members is going in to bat for Swann & Sticks.

I'm almost convinced both will be gawn straight after the 150 dinner in June.


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 Post subject: Re: Greg Swann
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The really weird thing in all of this is the disconnect between the administration who seem to think the 150th is the centre of the world and the supporters.

No-one I've spoken to really gives a @#$%&! about the 150th - they just want their team to play good hard football and their club to be functional.

Functional over functions!

Viva la revolucion!

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 Post subject: Greg Swann
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Princes Park Whistler wrote:
Swann-"No Board Members promised Premierships".
What a load of crap. If you are going to go on radio don't lie. Again no honesty.


Our strategic plan was to win two Premierships by 2015. Carlton exists to win Premierships it says.

Everything they have done the past few years was to meet those objectives, who cares if nobody said 'I promise', it's a strategic plan, it's what you're measured on.


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 Post subject: Re: Greg Swann
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Hmmm..........

maybe the club plans on scoring 150 points......
for the season.......!


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 Post subject: Greg Swann
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King Kenny wrote:
Princes Park Whistler wrote:
Swann-"No Board Members promised Premierships".
What a load of crap. If you are going to go on radio don't lie. Again no honesty.


Our strategic plan was to win two Premierships by 2015. Carlton exists to win Premierships it says.

Everything they have done the past few years was to meet those objectives, who cares if nobody said 'I promise', it's a strategic plan, it's what you're measured on.


They had their fingers crossed when they said it perhaps


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 Post subject: Greg Swann
PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:02 pm 
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GWS wrote:
The really weird thing in all of this is the disconnect between the administration who seem to think the 150th is the centre of the world and the supporters.

No-one I've spoken to really gives a @#$%&! about the 150th - they just want their team to play good hard football and their club to be functional.

Functional over functions!

Viva la revolucion!


This, it's just a flowering year in our history, but these morons seem to think they can bask in the glory of the clubs past and us fans will forget about the awful present.

Stupidity knows no bounds in these people.

Do it properly have a top 150 players with champions not undeserving recent players who have achieved nothing.

It smacks of some weird sort of revisionist history that the last 15 years are somehow a continuation of the clubs former greatness.


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 Post subject: Re: Greg Swann
PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:08 pm 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
GWS wrote:
The really weird thing in all of this is the disconnect between the administration who seem to think the 150th is the centre of the world and the supporters.

No-one I've spoken to really gives a @#$%&! about the 150th - they just want their team to play good hard football and their club to be functional.

Functional over functions!

Viva la revolucion!


This, it's just a flowering year in our history, but these morons seem to think they can bask in the glory of the clubs past and us fans will forget about the awful present.

Stupidity knows no bounds in these people.

Do it properly have a top 150 players with champions not undeserving recent players who have achieved nothing.

It smacks of some weird sort of revisionist history that the last 15 years are somehow a continuation of the clubs former greatness.


The really stupid thing (apart from Swann lying about the premierships promise... A strategic blueprint that is ratified by the board means that EVERY board member promised us two premierships by 2015) is that the club's focus on our history merely serves to highlight just how hopeless we are right now.

The whole situation is a diabolical embarrassment.


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 Post subject: Re: Greg Swann
PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:11 pm 
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Would someone please sack Swann now?


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 Post subject: Re: Greg Swann
PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:21 pm 
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no board member promised premierships

LOL !

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 Post subject: Greg Swann
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Personally, I think it's very important to celebrate your milestones and history. Problem is we've been absolutely rubbish in the the 100th and now 150th years.

Doesn't mean you don't celebrate it though.

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 Post subject: Greg Swann
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teagueyubeauty wrote:
Personally, I think it's very important to celebrate your milestones and history. Problem is we've been absolutely rubbish in the the 100th and now 150th years.

Doesn't mean you don't celebrate it though.


Don't do a Stalinist revision of history claiming absolutely anyone who had played over 150 games in the last 20 years is a legend of the club.

We aren't doing it properly, we need to accept out current crapness rather than pretend it isn't happening.


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 Post subject: Re: Greg Swann
PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:02 am 
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Molly wrote:
It's actually just a contest at the moment Synners...

Who has said the stupidest thing since Saturday?

McKay?
Swann?
Sticks?
Murphy?

You could almost throw a blanket over the field.


Should we refer to them as the Nought-4 collective?

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 Post subject: Re: Greg Swann
PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:38 am 
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Okay, we can accept Swann will be gone soon, at least before 2015 and possibly well before.

Who should be next and what qualities should the club identify when looking for the next CEO?

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 Post subject: Re: Greg Swann
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camelboy wrote:
Okay, we can accept Swann will be gone soon, at least before 2015 and possibly well before.

Who should be next and what qualities should the club identify when looking for the next CEO?


I read somewhere on TC once that there is some Cook bloke who is supposed to be top stuff.
Better just poach him


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 Post subject: Re: Greg Swann
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Someone the board doesn't want would be a start.
Get their top 10 and strike a line through all of them.

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 Post subject: Re: Greg Swann
PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:00 pm 
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Genuine question.

Is Swann that bad and what power does he hold over football department.

Would he be in a better position with a stronger board with better direction and a better person running the football department?

Who influences the culture the most?

Personally, Swann doesn't concern me as much as other things but it's also an area I haven't looked to deeply into?

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 Post subject: Re: Greg Swann
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
GWS wrote:
The really weird thing in all of this is the disconnect between the administration who seem to think the 150th is the centre of the world and the supporters.

No-one I've spoken to really gives a @#$%&! about the 150th - they just want their team to play good hard football and their club to be functional.

Functional over functions!

Viva la revolucion!


This, it's just a flowering year in our history, but these morons seem to think they can bask in the glory of the clubs past and us fans will forget about the awful present.

Stupidity knows no bounds in these people.

Do it properly have a top 150 players with champions not undeserving recent players who have achieved nothing.

It smacks of some weird sort of revisionist history that the last 15 years are somehow a continuation of the clubs former greatness.


The saddest part about it is these Johnny Come Lately's are neither crooked or cunning enough to bring the successes they're celebrating as if its par for the course, completely disregarding their own time at the helm. They're basking in the reflected glow of glories past when their hopelessly inadequate actions further remove us from them each and every day.

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 Post subject: Greg Swann
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Weird arguments....

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 Post subject: Re: Greg Swann
PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:23 pm 
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GWS wrote:
The really weird thing in all of this is the disconnect between the administration who seem to think the 150th is the centre of the world and the supporters.

No-one I've spoken to really gives a @#$%&! about the 150th - they just want their team to play good hard football and their club to be functional.

Functional over functions!

Viva la revolucion!



Only seen this now - this is a very valid point - very succinct.

There seems to be a "bubble" at PP dominated by the importance of the anniversary. One thing that all the recent interviews and communications show is that they have no decent PR people / spin doctors (in lieu of personal ability) . The inability to formulate a decent message fitting to the current situation has probably amplified the constant clinging to the 150 year straw.

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 Post subject: Re: Greg Swann
PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:29 pm 
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swann has been part of this club for eight years
the club has been telling us all is going well
suddenly we lose four in a row and probably more
and swann and sicks have to go
why were they not gone earlier?
you can add hughes onto that list also....

the people making the decisions should look at themselves as the decision makers and custodians of this footy club,,

their thirst for scapegoating to save their own skins knows no bounds

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