Collingwood, Essendon*, Richmond, North, Hawthorn, Fremantle, Port and thats not including return bouts for some of those teams.

We have alot of young kids who will make a difference next year. Mark my words, 6 wins is achievable.

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Doesnt hurt to look ahead and we would want to be in the hunt for early draft picks again in such a promising batch of draftees like next years...not sure if the coaching dept would want to be winning more than 5 games...

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What a crock of shit EB. Seriously some people on this forum need to wake up to themselves.

F I N A L S is the target of our coaching staff, nothing less. Carlton are not Hawthorn, we demand success or show you the door, expecially Pagan who is on huge amounts of dosh. We will have improved our list next season, we will have the "elite" talent to turn things around.

If i ever hear that "LOSERS" mentality come out of Optus Oval, Carlton can stick there membership and club where it fits.

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Couldn't agree more MJonc.

PS. I doubt will actually hear anything to the contrary though except just how pathetic our list is and how we need "A" grade players.

Improved our list? with who...Jason Saddington?....Barry Hall, John Brown , Warren Tredrae will be shaking in their boots.....not..
Unless Marc Murphy is as good as Chris Angel when it comes to performing illusions and play ten different positions at once..I dont think so.....we need several more years of intensive U 18 recruiting to rebuild the list.
West Coast took eleven years to play in their next GF and Stkilda have been at it for 5 years building the list with decent U18 talent and you want us playing finals next year.....keep living the dream, I'll stick with some reality....

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I'm sorry forgive me but West Coast and St kilda have both played finals in that time?

Remember how the media proclaimed the Swans and Crows as wooden spooners at one stage during the past 4 years?

Remember how in 2004 we finished tenth with less talent that we have on our list in 2006?

Have you checked our draw and the fact we have many winnable games?

Have you weighed in the development of players over a pre-season? Waite, Fevola (Injury Free), Bentick, Walker, Russell, Hartlett (Injury Free), Simpson, Carrazzo, Murphy, Pick 4 and Thornton.

Did you ever believe we could win the Wizard Cup in 2005? I bet you were singing finals then?

Anything is possible when 22 players bind there collective souls together to achieve a target my friend. Anything!!

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Mark my words Carlton will see September action next year.

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I agree with Mjonc, I want success asap - we're not here to come last again.

I see a deep 'super draft' in 2006 as a chance for every team to get 1 quality player - so where's the benefit of finishing last? Pickers says the 15th pick in 2006 couldv'e gone #1 this year so finishing last is of no real benefit.

I also see a shallow draft as being sensational for a team with 2 of the first 4 picks where pick 6 on could turn out to be duds.

I agree with the above sentiments, I'm sick of losing and to me losing is unacceptable, I don't care that we're struggling at the moment, I'm still frustrated and disappointed when we lose. I want this to turn around next season.

I'd rather win 10 games than 4. I'd rather win 7 than 3 etc because I actually enjoying seeing us win. If we don't start winning some more games then it's unacceptable and I think we'll find many supporters starting to call for heads at the club.

I enjoyed 2004 unlike some on here, I loved winning 10 games, I'll always remember that last game against Collingwood where we won by a point and finished 2 games above them. I enjoyed being a finals chance until Round 18. I want something similar next season.

I'm not expecting finals but I'd rather just miss out than finish last with 3 or 4 wins. It's time we started having a bit of pride.

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Damn right!

Roll on September 2006!

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re: West Coast....I said GF.....if you are going to be a smartarse then you have to get it right...I made no comment about Stkilda playing just finals...just said they are rebuilding the list....and its taken them at least 5 years to get to where they are...

re: Wizard Cup...check my postings on the wizzer cup early in the year..mickey mouse football with mickey mouse rules and no interest from half the clubs.....I wasnt singing finals.....more like humming common sense and lets get a grip on reality....

re: Fev...reckon Fev will see out his career with us?.....would have to be doubtful..
re: player improvement...no doubt they will improve...but fair way to go yet...

re: Losers mentality....its not about being a loser its about being smart..Hawthorn, Collingwood etc are playing the system..we have to play in the gutter with them or have them run all over us down the track..its not my cup of tea either but using the draft system is the only way to short cut rebuilding and keep pace......

re Adelaide .....Crows did well but can they sustain the effort with ageing stars...

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Yea that would be our luck!!!

Ps I'm on Elwoods side, no use winning a few extra games to feel good for that moment in time and then rob ourselves of many of these moments in the NEAR future.....

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EB, If i wanted to be a smart arse I'll try to be next time. I know you mentioned grand finals, why? I'm talking about making the finals 1-8. St Kilda, have played in the last two prelim finals, is that still called rebuilding?

Collingwood playing the game? What game is that can you tell me? Only Hawthorn is trying to manipulate the system with draft picks.

As for Fev, he is playing in 2006 which is what the whole point of my posts have been. Playing finals in 2006. If i was talking about winning premierships then you need more than draft picks to get to that point, but thats for another time.

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Collingwood and Hawthorn both decide key players in Tarrant and Williams were no longer required for 2005 due to injuries? early operations etc..we had Nathan Buckely playing FF and then spending time on the bench at very odd times....Collingwood also played every youngster they had...all this occured around the time they needed to lose games to keep the priority pick.......I read that as tanking..they wanted the priority pick and want Xavier Ellis and were prepared to send a inferior team out for those last remaining games to get that pick...ditto for Hawthorn.....you figure it out.....even Andy Demetriou was asked about tanking at the time as it was bloody obvious what they were doing....hence all the talk about the AFL retaining priority picks for the future...

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Elwood good on Collingwood and good on Hawthorn for there efforts.
Williams and Tarrant would not of got them off the bottom anyway.

The tanking theory is just that a theory. You know why Buckley was playing? He has pride in himself and the jumper, Buckley epitomises success at the individual level. Sydney contained 22 Buckleys every week this season, if our boys revive that pride, passion and commitment we had in 2004 don't be suprised at the result come end of year.

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mjonc, we just don't have the talent to dictate on field proccedings enough to scrape into the finals, let alone waltz into the finals.....

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We have the talent it is how that talent comes together and developes over the next 6 months as to how successfull we will be and I'm saying that talent will rise together next season and sneak us into the eight.

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