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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:54 pm 
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So what would you do?


Write a eulogy.



Surrender our licence :oops:

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:18 pm 
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MM and the club should part ways at the end of this season.

The club needs to go through a proper process to appoint a coach who will be there for the long haul. Sooner the club get that coach the better. It is clear MM is not the person to take the club forward.

In terms of list management - don't offer players over the odds to stay - if Gibbs wants to go then he goes - I prefer he stay but if he refuses the offer then he goes. If say a Gibbs goes and they end up with a pick then DO NOT package picks together and trade them off unless the deal is enormously in Carlton's favour.

With Hawthorn's build through the mid to late 2000s they didn't trade unless it was clear they were the winner. They got the player they wanted telling a club they wanted to be traded there - the trades were on Hawthorn's terms.

They were able to get poor trades out of North Melbourne with Hay (although could be argued it was more complicated because of Hay's illness).

The point is that if you receive a pick for a player like that DON'T PACKAGE PICKS TOGETHER FOR ONE PLAYER.

One example of this is in Carlton's backyard - the Fev trade - look at what we got - Henderson and pick 12 for Fev and 27.

If you get offered a deal like that you take it and run.

No packaging picks together for say a Patton. Build quality depth.

If the club gets an extra early pick - don't then go and trade the second or third round picks - unless the offer is way in our favour.

See the club has gone down the path of thinking once it acquires something (Henderson + 12, or compo pick for Betts) that it can then go and spend some of the loot - eg McLean and D Thomas.

It means the club has fewer picks at each draft - it all adds up in the end.

Add to the picks you have (unless some club is dumb enough to offer you something too good to refuse). It can't just be a focus on the draft though - it has to be backed up with the right development staff and the right coaching staff - only selected via an interview process; not people recruited with the cheque book who may be past it.

I am confident that the recruiting staff understand the philosophy (see Shane Rogers comments) - but those at board level and/or coaching level don't.

Stop with the Carlton arrogance - stop the "we're Carlton @#$%&! the rest".

Go about things quietly and get the joint in order.

Don't pander to the impatient supporter who thinks a saviour big name coach/player is the panacea.

Mm is going nowhere... Believe me


Not so sure. MM will be looking for a contract extension at the end of this year (assuming he is still there).

If CFC baulks (haven't seen one for a while on field) MM may consider walking (with the right separation payout of course!)


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:26 pm 
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Simple answer is tomorrow morning the board needs to show some b@lls and sack




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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:32 pm 
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So according to some sacking Swann is the answer?
Did he recruit Watson and Bootsma with our first picks?


Actually, indirectly yes. CEO is the man or women incharge of the business. Everyone is employeed by them. Quite simple really, the board of directors give him control and running of the business.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:43 pm 
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I would elect a new president (with a strong vision) but it must not be someone recommended by Sticks or that @#$%&! board.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:47 pm 
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For me the number one issue is to get some fresh blood on the board.

For years we've been lumbered with a massive board and despite public assurances the numbers on the board have never been brought down. To me that smacks of a bunch of factions refusing to let go of their numbers. It appears to an outsider that the board is gripped in a power struggle. FFS it is not a play thing of the rich. The numbers must be reduced and a focused plan put in place.

On field can be left to Mick to sort through. We know he can build a list and ours has been greatly overated. However we pay the man to build the team and he must be left to do that within the boards guidelines (assuming they have any).


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:55 pm 
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Step 1: Back the coach, but ask for honest self-assessment and time frame of succession

Mick is good enough to help us right now and to dig us out of this hole, but he has his weaknesses too. I'd sit down with him and look to identify where he would like to improve the existing list that could conceivably be done, but he feels he would need an upgrade of or additional support staff to achieve. I'd also ask him to sit down over a 6-18 month period and comb through the coaching talent pool to start helping to identify coaches who show the work ethic, research, communication and intellectual capacity to forge themselves into a quality AFL coach.

I'd then bring them in as a senior assistant with an eye to replacing Mick, who would move into a DoF role where he could cherry pick and work on weaker areas of the football side of the club without the day to day stress of the senior & match day roles. He's walked away from this before, but to be completely fair Nathan Buckley still doesn't strike me as an AFL coach yet so his concerns are wholly valid.

Step 2: Restructure the football department around internal and external player valuation and assessment


There are so many models of talent acquisition and development in the AFL and similar and dissimilar sports around the world that the idea of borrowing or adopting from a series of said models can be a daunting prospect, particularly given the sometimes cagey nature of the industry in regards to what they perceive as intellectual property (though from a legal sense this is often not the case).

I'd move towards a standpoint that current performance in the form of attainable targets should factor more heavily into contract structure, and that a blend of short and medium term needs, predicted output, projected ability and market value should be identified and analysed when making decisions regarding draft selection, trades and other forms of player acquisition and sales. Any body not on board with an analysis heavy approach that wants to make gut calls that they cannot remotely articulate in this way needs to be moved on in favour of those who have the communication skills to bring their talent spotting ability to somewhere of substance.

This identification process only enhances the coaching and development areas of the club as they have a more robust SWOT analysis of a player progression and club health. Through video analysis, specialised coaching and mentoring sessions they can better assist a player in making themselves a capable AFL footballer, as well as clearer in discussions with footballers and their managers about their value to the club, their goals for the player and the club and why they want to move them on or bring them into the club.

Finally, the medical, sports science and strength and condition aspects of the club should also be looked at to provide a similarly shrewd and prudent view of player welfare and physical development, and perhaps should be further engineered to naturally compete with the senior coaching staff's competitive drive to bring physically underdeveloped players in early, and injured players back as soon as possible.

Step 3: Construct a financial and organisational model for the club that seeks to drive value for all internal and external stakeholders

This might seem like a somewhat technical term, but quite simply a lack of incentive is evident at all levels of the football club, from the players, to the investors to the supporters. We as supporters are told to do it for love, the players and the coaches are told do it for money and the sponsors are told do it for either love or commercial exposure on national TV. These are primary factors for these particular groups but to suggest they are all the corporate and administrative arm of the club should focus on in the areas of organising, social media, communications, investment, sponsorship, membership and football department budgeting is utterly laughable.

True success in all of these fields of endeavour will come through focussing on these fundamentals while pushing forward a series of incentives and initiatives built around delivering extra reward for the time/money spent, and these do not necessarily have to be mutually exclusive. For example, well costed and innovative social media events or just good old fashioned social functions can blend value-add for players, supporters and sponsors alike.

I would look into some of the best and brightest new talent in social media, marketing and financial circles who are interested in a unique and challenging market place while making their name in their respective fields, and I would challenge them with finding sustainable and cost-effective strategies for growth in their respective fields. I would arm them with a respectable budget and drive them to bring wealth through shrewd business and restoring a sense of community to the entirety of the Carlton Football Club.

I don't expect silvertails, mum-and-dad supporters and players to be rubbing shoulders on a weekly basis but a program that could deliver events like this monthly (and social media events weekly) in a way that doesn't disenfranchise any stakeholders can only do wonders to all aspects of the club and drive every area further by reminding them of exactly why they're all involved in the Club in the first place, and that can only be a good thing. In fact, I would go so far as to say it would have a positive and synergistic influence on the club and perhaps the league as a whole.

Anyway, that's where I'd probably start, alongside building a board that is capable of building and maintaining this vision, as well as keeping tabs on where to introduce new concepts and paradigms to the club, including the transition out of themselves where applicable. Honest, hard working (for the time able to be invested) and passionate to improve the state of affairs at the Club, while maintaining a realistic and studious approach to developing all areas of the place.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:05 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
33mcconville wrote:
So according to some sacking Swann is the answer?
Did he recruit Watson and Bootsma with our first picks?


Actually, indirectly yes. CEO is the man or women incharge of the business. Everyone is employeed by them. Quite simple really, the board of directors give him control and running of the business.

So what you're saying is one woman can't do a man's job? :P

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:14 pm 
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I would first of all stop using phrases like "put us back to where we belong"' at the moment this club doesn't belong anywhere or to anyone, and we certainly do not deserve or have a right to anything.

If I hear one more official of the club trott out shit like that I will SPEW UP!!!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:51 am 
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I'd be a complete hypocrite.

I'd posture and moan about how everyone else is negative, and only interested in sheep mentality thinking or they're not real supporters of the club for instigating anything anti-club. But then ultimately my need for attention overrides any semblance of double standards, and then I'd start my own thread asking what people would do; completely ignoring the "SACK MICK", "Marc Murphy should resign", "Sticks: The Grand Illusion" threads, that are all remarkably one sided and quite obvious about what "you would do".

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:09 am 
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JohnM wrote:
Short answer:
Replace every single board member tomorrow. Replace them with people who actually know what they're doing.
These people will then replace the CEO with someone who knows what they're doing.
This new CEO will replace under performing members of the executive with people who know what they're doing.
The executive will replace under performing members of staff with people who know what they're doing.

Shit flows downhill. I've been involved in two turnarounds of businesses about the same size as the CFC, and in just as much poo. There is NO substitute for focused, intelligent and passionate senior leaders who actually know what they're doing. You don't have that, you have nothing. Our board is effectively designed to guarantee failure; both through their own incompetence and through the incompetence of those they hire to run the executive.

The problem, of course, is that there is no-one overseeing the board. No parent company to tap the board and make sweeping changes. Someone is going to have to methodically build a ticket and take these people out. As supporters, we can only hope such change comes sooner rather than later, and the ticket is actually a good one.

The long answer is incredibly micro and involves getting a hundred little things right. But they all stem from that one big thing.

Ah. Finally. :clap: :clap:

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:14 am 
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I'd be a complete hypocrite.

I'd posture and moan about how everyone else is negative, and only interested in sheep mentality thinking or they're not real supporters of the club for instigating anything anti-club. But then ultimately my need for attention overrides any semblance of double standards, and then I'd start my own thread asking what people would do; completely ignoring the "SACK MICK", "Marc Murphy should resign", "Sticks: The Grand Illusion" threads, that are all remarkably one sided and quite obvious about what "you would do".

:lol: Pisser. Oops, sorry. I mean p155er.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:24 am 
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:lol: Pisser. Oops, sorry. I mean p155er.



You're allowed to say p1sser....

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:25 am 
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This thread is full of rude words!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 9:03 am 
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I'd thank Sticks for all his effort and passion but ask him along with his crew to step away from the club and show their support by sitting in the grandstands and attend spirit of Carlton functions.

I would then pay Jason Dunstal a consultancy fee to thoroughly evaluate the club from the top to the bottom and present his findings to the new president Mike Fitzpatrick.

I would then expect Mike to consider piggy Dunstals findings and form his vision and strategy of a contemporary Carlton football that's not operating like its stuck in the 80's and 90's and go out and lure the best to Carlton.

CEO
Football director
Football operations manager
List manager
Director of Recruitment
Head of sports science
Leadership development

And try lure Brad Sewell and Lenny Hayes to the club as assistant coaches/development

I would also make Henderson and Simpson joint captains along side Murphy.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:38 am 
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I would also stop pouring money into the Arizona trip - divert the money to recruiting/player development.

Geelong go to Falls Creek each pre season.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:43 am 
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All players to shave their beards until they earn them.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:49 am 
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Not many Clubs get the chance to do teh last decade again, hopefully we won't follow the same scrpt.

He rode in on a pale horse and his name was ....

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 12:49 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:
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That still doesn't work if you read it upside down. :wink:

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