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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:05 pm 
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but his plan has made finals the last 7 years

its not his fault

just ask him



..and it still would.. ..lyons plan has worked for years now, clarko's too.. ....all require nonstop effort, and genuine team work.. ....no plan works with us cos we are lazy, when our talent was at it's peak and Judd carried us, we could still never get close to top four, cos we lack effort.. ..pure and ample.. ..salty malty might not be the answer, but he also is not the problem..


So because Clarkos game plan works and Lypns too, Malthouses must work as well?
I love your logic BKB. :grin:

Our game style is nothing like Hawthorns, or Freos so why compare?

Yes all game styles require effort and genuine yeam work but they also require strategies that work. This gamestyle became redundant 2 years ago when everyone else starting implementing the press. There is no room for your high half forwards or key forward to lead into. Thats what Mick needs to understand and obviously you as well.
Coaches counter strategies and this one became a dinosaur after 2011.

To suggest its all because our players are lazy and we had success because Judd carried us is lazier.
Mick isnt the problem but his actions are well and truly contributing to the problem. Inflexibility. Poor support coaching group, the recruitment of Thomas.
All to suit his purposes, not Carltons.



..that's not what I said.. ..what I said is this, the game plan is less important, than the understanding and team work to carry it out all game all season.. ..mm game plan may not win the flag, yes.. ..never said it would, but it will get you to finals which is what I said.. ..the press didn't stop mm, the press is lot of mm plan.. ..the way mm wants us to play isn't too dissimilar to Lyon's system.. ..

..do you think Lyon has reworked his saints style all that much?, serious question..

..we aren't talking about a decades old style here.. ..the Strangelove bomb is funny, but it is not malty.. ..it is us, we have been bombing it blindly for a decade.. ..the bomb is the blues bad habit style.. ..I can tell you any and every defence focused coach hates the bomb.. ..mm system was understood late noughties, yet they still made top four.. ..media talked it up, those top two years with a flag and runner up, it took a champ team to beat them, and it was champion driven, not a picking art of system, but hard work and finishing skill with composure.. ..our team is not a team, has not played as a team for a decade.. ..blame what you think is the mm game plan, go for it.. ..and when he is moved on sooner or later.. ..you can blame the next coach.. ..like we have collectively done before.. ..its easier to switch the coach, and just ignore the playing group culture..,

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:08 pm 
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Are we meant to swallow this shit :?:

Andrew McKay says Mick Malthouse still the man to take Carlton forward

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/a ... z2yldP0T4z

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"If anyone is going to pull us out of this, Mick's the man to do it."


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The contentious mid-week meeting between Malthouse and the players to discuss the Blues' game plan had been overblown in terms of importance, McKay said.

"Mick mentioned it in one of the team meetings we had, it wasn't a specific meeting to talk about the game plan.

"It wasn't a big deal or panic stations about calling a specific meeting to ask them, 'Are we all 100 per cent behind the game plan?' It was more an off-the-cuff comment within a meeting."

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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Which part is rubbish exactly Chubby? The first quote is an opinion, the second quote clarifies the paraphrased comments that were flogged during the week.

I'll repeat the actual context of both sets of comments one more time:

McKay: The coaches asked the leadership group are the players happy with the game plan, go and get feedback (a reasonable thing to do when players are not responding well, they may be confused, they may feel they have strengths to bring that can cover weaknesses, they are not programmable meatbags who can kick a footy purely through rote learning).

Malthouse: I did not hold a meeting to check with the players that they're happy with the game plan, but I can only speak for myself personally.

So these new comments fail to conflict with the ones from midweek. Turns out Mick did say something, but it was so @#$%&! innocuous he didn't even recall saying it. What a shock, we're all human beings capable of mistakes, including momentously stupid ones that are run in the national press after sub-editing and fact checking, you turd burglars who cash in a pay cheque and call yourselves experts (hope you're still reading this right now too).

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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I think MM is a very good coach and the one to help us move forward

HOWEVER................

he needs to change his attitude and the way he speaks to people especially in press conferences. Put simply, he is a bully and not a good representative of the club.

I am tired of demeanor and he needs to start thinking about the club as a hole and not himself.

Yesterday was embarrassing, we are a rabble. Say so and tell us why. Not this crap about Melbourne pushing St Kilda and beating Richmond in a practice game therefore their form has been good.

As for last week, he didn't see it coming, FFS. Must of been the only one.

In every department the clubs needs to improve and dramatically. It can start with having respect for it's supporters, some type of humility and a better standard of how they convey the message in a public forum.

To be honest I am sick of it and I don't care if he was the greatest coach on earth I don't want that attitude as the face of the club.

Mick, grow up!

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:31 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Which part is rubbish exactly Chubby? The first quote is an opinion, the second quote clarifies the paraphrased comments that were flogged during the week.

I'll repeat the actual context of both sets of comments one more time:

McKay: The coaches asked the leadership group are the players happy with the game plan, go and get feedback (a reasonable thing to do when players are not responding well, they may be confused, they may feel they have strengths to bring that can cover weaknesses, they are not programmable meatbags who can kick a footy purely through rote learning).

Malthouse: I did not hold a meeting to check with the players that they're happy with the game plan, but I can only speak for myself personally.

So these new comments fail to conflict with the ones from midweek. Turns out Mick did say something, but it was so @#$%&! innocuous he didn't even recall saying it. What a shock, we're all human beings capable of mistakes, including momentously stupid ones that are run in the national press after sub-editing and fact checking, you turd burglars who cash in a pay cheque and call yourselves experts (hope you're still reading this right now too).


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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the mathieson group are about to dominate the club... and theyre supporters of malthouse.. jeanie was more a roos person herself.... malthouse isnt going anywhere

he will be charged with rebuilding the club ... take that to the bank

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:33 am 
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Mick very happy with list at the blues after he returned from his book tour.

In 2012 the Blues are the quietest in the league in terms of trading, draft etc..

Blues on the same page with Mick as to finals chances etc...2013 plan was to go deep into the finals under an experienced coach who knows what he is doing.

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:38 am 
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Cretylus wrote:
Mick very happy with list at the blues after he returned from his book tour.

In 2012 the Blues are the quietest in the league in terms of trading, draft etc..

Blues on the same page with Mick as to finals chances etc...



the club is dishonest.... sticks said 3 flags in 5 years....4 years ago... unless we win 3 this year its not going to happen.

the dishonessty with the club happens from the top.. its part of our bag of tricks




if u think about it... mick wouldnt know our list at the time.

can u smell what we're cooking???

no passengers ...

twenty by 2020

its the club :thumbsup:

no honesty.. no integrity...just a joke.

mick doesnt set the tone or the direction of the club... either does swann...

the board and prez do.

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:40 am 
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Synbad wrote:
the mathieson group are about to dominate the club... and theyre supporters of malthouse.. jeanie was more a roos person herself.... malthouse isnt going anywhere

he will be charged with rebuilding the club ... take that to the bank


Good to hear.

Who Re the people attached to the Mathieson group


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:45 am 
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Cretylus wrote:
Mick very happy with list at the blues after he returned from his book tour.

In 2012 the Blues are the quietest in the league in terms of trading, draft etc..

Blues on the same page with Mick as to finals chances etc...2013 plan was to go deep into the finals under an experienced coach who knows what he is doing.


A load of hog wash.

The club had no room to move in 2012 and were handcuffed by crap contracts to several players.

The media are running with Mick approaching the board after round 2 this year about the list being no good..... THATS BULLTISH

Mick had met with the board halfway through last year where he delivered a blunt appraisal of the current group where he told them there's no premiership with this list.

Mick is always going to sell optimism at the start if the year.

The rebuild started last year. But, he expected the team to be at least competitive.


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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I really do hope Mick is forced to take on an apprentice. I hope that apprentice is Cameron Ling.

Cameron Ling needs to understand that he is very unattractive and he doesn't have much of a future on TV. He will be a very good coach.

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:53 am 
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the club brings malthouse in to sell memberships

the most pathetic thing about this club and supporters is they believe ridiculous things

its the gameplan
its the coach
its recruitment
its development
its the players
its leadership

its everything really.... but it stems from the very top..
the people that set the direction and the tempo of the club is the board led by the president

this then flows down in every decision thats made.
in every action taken.

we lack honesty integrity and accountability

do we have a list manager?
no!
because he costs money....
but we have a board of list managers.
so whos fault is it?.. well u cant pin it down to one of these.... because they will say its a board of 4.

recruitment in a year so crucial to the rebuild
we have list 2

the guy from geelong AND hughes but a third of the way through the season.. we are 2 down on last year

pathetic

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:57 am 
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trublu wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
Mick very happy with list at the blues after he returned from his book tour.

In 2012 the Blues are the quietest in the league in terms of trading, draft etc..

Blues on the same page with Mick as to finals chances etc...2013 plan was to go deep into the finals under an experienced coach who knows what he is doing.


A load of hog wash.

The club had no room to move in 2012 and were handcuffed by crap contracts to several players.

The media are running with Mick approaching the board after round about the list being no good..... THATS BULLTISH

Mick had met with the board halfway through last year where he delivered a blunt appraisal of the current where he told them there's no premiership with this list.

Mick is going to sell optimism at the start if the year.

The rebuild started last year. But, he expected the team to be at last competitive.


Well said.


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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Synbad wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
Mick very happy with list at the blues after he returned from his book tour.

In 2012 the Blues are the quietest in the league in terms of trading, draft etc..

Blues on the same page with Mick as to finals chances etc...



the club is dishonest.... sticks said 3 flags in 5 years....4 years ago... unless we win 3 this year its not going to happen.

the dishonessty with the club happens from the top.. its part of our bag of tricks




if u think about it... mick wouldnt know our list at the time.

can u smell what we're cooking???

no passengers ...

twenty by 2020

its the club :thumbsup:

no honesty.. no integrity...just a joke.

mick doesnt set the tone or the direction of the club... either does swann...

the board and prez do.


What has mick done to change this?

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Cretylus wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
Mick very happy with list at the blues after he returned from his book tour.

In 2012 the Blues are the quietest in the league in terms of trading, draft etc..

Blues on the same page with Mick as to finals chances etc...



the club is dishonest.... sticks said 3 flags in 5 years....4 years ago... unless we win 3 this year its not going to happen.

the dishonessty with the club happens from the top.. its part of our bag of tricks




if u think about it... mick wouldnt know our list at the time.

can u smell what we're cooking???

no passengers ...

twenty by 2020

its the club :thumbsup:

no honesty.. no integrity...just a joke.

mick doesnt set the tone or the direction of the club... either does swann...

the board and prez do.


What has mick done to change this?

Just give him a chance... he'll be the next Bomber Thompson

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I went to the G on Saturday

If our blokes on the field were playing for the coach, I will suck eggs

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Whether or not we agree that Mick is the right guy for the job and/or is the cause of all our on-field woes, can we at least all agree that we don't want to see any more of our membership dollars pissed up a wall to pay out another coach?

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Donstuie wrote:
Whether or not we agree that Mick is the right guy for the job and/or is the cause of all our on-field woes, can we at least all agree that we don't want to see any more of our membership dollars pissed up a wall to pay out another coach?


I'll gladly have my membership money go to paying out his contract

It's what the club does after that that matters.

Will it assess all of the candidates available or will it continue with the pig headed arrogant attitude of getting the cheque book out and signing a big name.

This club is still stuck in the pre AFL, pre salary cap era.

The problem the club has is that it will have reduced membership money if Mick is still there next year. ;)

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