The answer is joint captaincy next year and beyond

Murphy - Henderson - Simpson

..if you are gonna take it off him, may as well trade him..

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Exactly

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Anyone got any thoughts on joint captaincy?

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dane's trolling again

workrate and 1%ers

lets start with the basics

get them right

get everyone on the same page, with well defined roles and team rules

then we can work on the trivial aspects of the game like game plan and who tosses the coin...

bugger up the basics and the team runs around in circles embarrassing itself

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what about a captain coach?

this list doesnt seem to respond to coaches.

And the blues have had the last 3 captain coaches to oversee a flag...

worth a try - tried everything else

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This is so "mob mentality" . Never solve the problems with knee jerk reactions.

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TC suffers from the social media illness - the death of respect and constructive discourse by keyboard.

Yep, you've already mentioned it once. No-one listened the first time.
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HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

you cant be serious?

im convinced Walker has photos of Malthouse!! Im a fan of walker but he has had a shocking year to date, and lucky to not have been dropped.

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Don't need joint captains.

Simpson's been the club's onfield leader for a few years now.

Let's just make it official.

Oh...but hang on...he was pick 45 so he can't possibly be captain!

Then we'd have to offer him an inflated contract and take a bit away from Murph and Murph's a number one pick so he deserves it more.

This list management thing's really tricky eh!

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FMD with Walker and his comments. How loud is he out on the playing field if it's so quiet?

He is also a sympton of the problems we have. Is he even happy to be playing in defence as I know he likes to tell the coach where he should be playing?

we dont have many leaders .
you need more than one leader .. one on every line.. and then every player being a leader.
guys like waite kill us.

31 yo and u get nothing out of him.

murph has built up his body into a nuggety unit.. but its there for looks.
he sulks.. he dives.. h looks for cheap kicks and he hates attention.. doesnt wanna kick crucial goals...he wants big money and wants to be captain.

i reckon the list is poor and in bad shape but leadership on the ground by this list is what is creating the humiliation.. not the game plan.. not the talent.

there is a lack of respect for each other.. and confidence.
people ignore players and allow situations to perpetuate
there is a general lack of discipline...

like off field .. our infield mirrors....and screams no leadership

watched the game 3 am on foxtel on sat night... in some joint a few hundred kms from melbourne.

i found the game very predictable...it wwas no anomaly
they are laying without confidence.. leadership and skill

there is a lack of hard work... but they will tell us they were doing their best... they would believe that mind u...
its just theyre caught up in a dark place atm

they can climb out of it.. but they need to clear their heads.
the 150 expectations..the pre season injuries and lack of preparation has all conspired with poor list management and bad recruiting to create this situation.

they need to galvanise asap .. and it will mean the leadership players stand up and others must follow.

im hoping this chaos uncovers another leader or two in this group.. were gunna need them

this is not just about murph.. its about every single one of them... they are all leaders.

the 150th birthday eh sticks??

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Leadership depth has been a problem for some time now Mr S, especially since the Pagan/Elshaugh regime severely chopped it up by the 2004 season. Wasn't addressed by the club or ratten regime after that either recruitment or development. Judd actually had a detrimental effect on any leadership mentoring of young players on our list. Judd being a non natural and reluctant leader to start off with.

Mick walks in and says he is happy with list in 2012 and the blues do very little during trade period. The quietest of all the clubs. Sets up a player driven skipper selection leadership group and only asks that duigan be included in group towards the end. Mick lives having conversations with duigan.

Robert Wiley heading coaching and development.

Couldn't keep betts.

Recruits daisy on a big packet. Is daisy an inspirational leader? Daisy hasn't gone out with the boys for a beer yet. He will get around to it eventually, 2017 perhaps....wants nag christou's number.

Every single player on the list has gone backwards except for Curnow, Ellard who are honest hard workers, and Micks favorite player Lucas... (Gibbs still consistent, Touhey good last year and Hendo and Simpson who always put in)

Judd flicks switch in final against tiger for 20 minutes with tigers shitting their pants in the second half and leaving Judd alone with warnock feeding him in the middle.

Sydney swans final the worst the club has ever played.

Switch jammed or breaker fuse faulty. We don't know. Need an electrician.

39 tackles for the blues team with the swans almost breaking a finals possessions tally of almost 450.

Another unimaginative and going though the motions pre season, but this time a zero 4 start to the 2014 season.

Tanking for draft picks already it seems.

But don't worry Swann has ensured everybody that we will be destroying Good Friday next year with a block bluster against the kangaroos.

No free memberships handed out this year.

Carlton's 150th year celebrations going very well ladies and gentlemen

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there was no leadership in pagans time

just a couple of blokes thinking they were shop stewards

its been gone since last century

probably died when braddles was captain and he joined preaseason and his team mates after xmas when he got what he wanted contract wise

this is way before denis even came to the club

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The problem isn't captaincy - it's leadership all over the ground...

As they said in The Castle - "it's the vibe"!!

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"...the less you know - the more you believe..." - Bono 2006

No players with any cauliflower in them. We've taken Sydney's "no flower" policy to the extreme and only drafted nice boys.

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Don't agree with that assessment of our leadership quality when pagan took over.....

In 2003, blues just lost Bradley.

They still had McKay, Ratten, Kouta, Laipan, Manton, Lance, Allen, Campo.

Not our best leadership group, but still better than anything we have today. Simpson also started that year so his introduction to leadership was with this group of players.

Murphy and Judd as leaders are comparable to a Jimmy Plunket or Simon Wiggins.

And remember mr S, the great Pagan dragged in Martyn to play 13 games and teach players like Thornton how to play defensive football.

But the time Pagan had finished, our list was a shell and bereft of any confidence and leadership continuity...6 years of hard labour under the Denis short term madness

But it's all Ratts fault because he had the best list the universe has seen since federation,

And then Mick takes over with dinosaur tactics and Wiley madness and can't win a game - must be Ratts and sticks fault or the board,,,

We had problems way before pagan started in 2003, even back to 1996 where we didn't enhance our list to improve. But Denis broke the back of the club rather than at least consolidating or even improving some aspects...like Leadership depth...

He did get something out of Fev. But never transformed him into the player that he be in a team environment. Fev has still been our best player since Kouta retired

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We misinterpreted the Sydney mantra of No flower at the club...so we off loaded fev.

What they meant was no flower who didn't abide by team rules and sacrifices....

They still recruit flower as long as they follow team rules out on the field...

Collingwood persisted with their flower and still managed a flag in 2010. But their flower did the right team things out on the field.

The cats and hawks have plenty of flower...

But can they deal with them? Can they find them roles within the team environment?

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Even Simpson's been forced to tow the company line...

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/k ... zqueo.html

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#GUILTY

you might not agree... but those blokes were responsible for a spoon.. and some real crap!!!

Thats not leadership....

Thats just names you like....



i call them shop stewards,,,, because thats how they acted.

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