I don't know who to blame!!

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dane's trolling again

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

The crap list management isn't Mick's fault. Atleast he has tried to get rid of most of the crap and get some players in. It's going to take awhile until this poor list management is worked out. Atleast with Mick in charge i feel in the long term we will be better then having Retten there.

October 2012

Carlton's list is fine: Malthouse

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

I think MM is a very good coach and the one to help us move forward

HOWEVER................

he needs to change his attitude and the way he speaks to people especially in press conferences. Put simply, he is a bully and not a good representative of the club.

I am tired of demeanor and he needs to start thinking about the club as a whole and not himself.

Yesterday was embarrassing, we are a rabble. Say so and tell us why. Not this crap about Melbourne pushing St Kilda and beating Richmond in a practice game therefore their form has been good.

As for last week, he didn't see it coming, FFS. Must of been the only one.

In every department the clubs needs to improve and dramatically. It can start with having respect for it's supporters, some type of humility and a better standard of how they convey the message in a public forum.

To be honest I am sick of it and I don't care if he was the greatest coach on earth I don't want that attitude as the face of the club.

Mick, grow up!

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

If you'd allow me to play devil's advocate... I've no issue with how Mick addresses the media.

This is simply because what does he owe them? He's the coach or football personality who's job or credibility they're pursuing at the moment. If they get him they'll move on to the next target. If they don't they'll keep the knives sharp until the opportunity to get him presents itself once more.

Whenever Mick addresses the supporters directly, his weekly video message is a good example, he's all the things you want him to be.

I don't prescribe to the notion the media deserves any respect. They're vultures. Their agenda changes as frequently as the wind. They're more than happy to hold coaches and players to account, hound and harass them, bring scrutiny onto them... but when someone with the platform and means turns the table on them they can't hack it and have a whinge.

Mick can take the bullshit they dish out, dishing out some of his own along the way.

Bottom line? Why treat them like they're an integral part of the game - as they believe they are? Their job was once to comment on the game, reporting fact. Now its just a bunch of animals all with different opinions, squawking over one another to have their opinion heard.

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Whatever happened to this club
I wish I understood
We used to be so strong
We used to be so good

Some very good points Psych.

I don't think his age is a barrier. I think he has the intelligence (unlike our previous coach) and knowledge to move us forward. His coaching record and astute commentary during the year he had in the media tells us he is smart enough.

However, that massive ego of his is getting in the way. It is preventing him from standing aside from himself and looking objectively at our situation. His rigidity and stubborn inflexibility is crippling. It is preventing him from appointing assistants who value add and challenge him rather than just say yes Mick and take it up the ass. His authoritarian style is intimidating to players. That players meeting "we are all behind the game plan" was a joke. As if this group of softcocks is going to challenge him in a productive way. You would think at least that he would scare them into trying harder, but obviously not. His methods and style are not getting the best out of their allegedly modest talents.

Mick needs to have a serious look at himself and admit his responsibility in this and adapt. But can he or will he?

If he got results his public appearances wouldn't be such an issue.

Surely the way he acts isn't a surprise to anyone here.

We knew exactly what we were getting. What's the @#$%&! point of trying to change that.

The cauliflower needs to improve the team performance,THAT'S WHY WE GOT HIM!!!

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I hope Essendon* folds.

Both Mick and carlton agreed that the blues had a list to go deeper into the finals.

During his first pre season Mick publicly said he was happy with the list and didn't actually make many changes.

Do you remember the draft period in that 2012/13 period?

We were the quietest club in the league.

For Mick to even hint that somehow the list is poor and needs rebuilding is disingenuous to say the least.

Club's should always be in rebuild and list enhancement mode.....never stagnant otherwise youre history - dead meat - finished all washed up, GONE, caught with your pants down, up the @#$%&! creak without a paddle, down the ice cream shop without any money, in the telephone booth without any coins, in a brothel without a stainless steel condom, in parliament and cant lie, running a corporation and having a heart, flying Malaysian Airways without a global GPS system (get it?)

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To be fair to him, he would ve backed himself to get the best out of a lot of the players, most of who have let him down (particularly the more experienced players like Gibbs, Kreuzer, Murphy, Waite etc).

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Spot on...look at Hawks. Better now without Franklin....with superb recruits in Lake and Burgoyne. Now Hill is running amok. Every player is highly skilled. Their gameplan never stands still. They are the benchmark by a fair space, and Another flag is a foregone conclusion.

Malthouse only needs to look at the stats and he can fix this
We win our share of footy both contested and clearances .
He needs to develop a method of deny the opponents the footy and get our possesion count up .kick it sideways backwards anyway you like just dont kick it to a situation where you are going to turn it over.
The more the players get their hands on the footy the more confident they will get with the ball
Then when confidence is up the run and spread will come
Kicking to a contest doesnt do anything for the players skills or decision making
It would mean he would have to eat humble pie but better to do that than get sacked again

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but his plan has made finals the last 7 years

its not his fault

just ask him

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

..and it still would.. ..lyons plan has worked for years now, clarko's too.. ....all require nonstop effort, and genuine team work.. ....no plan works with us cos we are lazy, when our talent was at it's peak and Judd carried us, we could still never get close to top four, cos we lack effort.. ..pure and ample.. ..salty malty might not be the answer, but he also is not the problem..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

So because Clarkos game plan works and Lypns too, Malthouses must work as well?
I love your logic BKB.

Our game style is nothing like Hawthorns, or Freos so why compare?

Yes all game styles require effort and genuine yeam work but they also require strategies that work. This gamestyle became redundant 2 years ago when everyone else starting implementing the press. There is no room for your high half forwards or key forward to lead into. Thats what Mick needs to understand and obviously you as well.
Coaches counter strategies and this one became a dinosaur after 2011.

To suggest its all because our players are lazy and we had success because Judd carried us is lazier.
Mick isnt the problem but his actions are well and truly contributing to the problem. Inflexibility. Poor support coaching group, the recruitment of Thomas.
All to suit his purposes, not Carltons.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

An all Australian side would get beat trying to play we do
You can cut the list
You can chuck out the board and all the admin
But keep persisting with this rubbish and you will get picked to pieces
Its rubbish
The players know it and are giving it the respect it deserves

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What did you think of the gameplan against Melbourne BV?

Long you'd been crying out for uncontested possessions. From memory (going off the stats displayed during the game) we smashed Melbourne in the uncontested ball this weekend, were ahead in contested possessions, had more marks than Melbourne, more uncontested marks, more handballs etc.

All supposedly against the "bomb it long to a 50/50".

Then what happened? Lost to Melbourne.

Because an uncontested game plan requires hard running, presenting option after option. We had 3 marks inside 50 for the whole game! Surely a BIG chunk of it is work ethic and no making double, triple leads and running yourself into the ground. The players would have to cop their fair share of that.

Half way through the last quarter yesterday murphy had the ball on the half back flank southern stand side. We had 2 players free in the middle yet he chose to go long to a contest on the boundary which we lost. This happens way to many times in a game. Mick isnt being flexible enough it seams. Murph looked at the 2 free players but looked scared to give it to them. Scared of breaking micks rules or not confident in his own ability to hit a target.

Let them play free flowing football ffs. There is no run with this current gameplan

yep...but we only know one way

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“I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.” ― Richard Feynman

History is a good judge. Hawks have beaten us 10 straight since 2005, Pagan Ratts, Malthouse made no difference.

Three bottom teams in 2005 were Carl, Coll, Hawks....say no more, they have won flags, us naught. We botched the recruiting big time and our record against top teams over the last ten matches is shocking.

Adel, Coll, Syd, North, Saints we are 3 wins and 7 losses
Geel 2-8
Hawks 0-10

Malthouses fault?? I don't think so.