why do you think that Judd is a good leader or captain?

I really cant see much difference between Murphy and Judd in the leadership/captaincy area.

I think that over the past few years, the best leaders at our club (ie out on the field) were Duigan, brock, Simpson and Carrazzo

...its not surprising where the club is today

Leadership is an interesting quality in people. Its quite an abstract and curious trait. There are natural leadership skills and leadership skills that are acquired through experience or mentoring etc. Natural leaders are like hens teeth, very hard to find in any field of work.

Why would people willingly follow someone else or be inspired by their words or acts?

Why would a leader feel compelled to act or say things which consciously or subconsciously drag others along a certain path?

Look guys, "we need to do this now". or "this is the way to go", "follow me". "do as I do"

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If you cant see much of a difference between Judd and Murphy you are on drugs

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Both are introverted. Reluctant leaders. It doesnt come naturally to either. Both have pre-game addresses that are less than inspiring. I can certainly see strong similarities.

Judd is going bald

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Vying with Lance as the worst Captain we've ever had.
Goes missing when the heat is on.
Clearly doesn't inspire his troops
Soft as butter

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...and Judd mentored Murph and the other young players

When Judd arrived we had very little in the way of leaders let alone depth in the leadership group.

the first two years with Judd as captain was very good. But during that period as a club we shoudl have been looking at a new captain to take over and to take us forward - if he couldnt be found in the list, then draft or trade for someone...

Not everyone makes a good captain.... Look at the cats - who do they choose as skipper? It was never abblet or johnston or scarlett, chappy or bartel...and these guys are far superior than anything we have on our list. The cats nurtured their leadership stocks, by drafting wisely and culture. We use to do that better than anybody for a few decades - until it was severed in 2004. havent recovered since - not surprised.

How many great players have we had over the decades that weren't captains?

Natural leaders that want the captaincy role.

Judd doesnt fit either of these criteria - who does at our club?

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Our senior players, with the exception of Simpson, play without aggression.

I'm not talking about stupid dumb aggression (eg. Waite), I'm talking about physical presence and a combatitive attitude.

This has been ignored for too long and when I hear Maclure talking about facing up to issues this is first priority with the playing group AFAIC.

Actually Lance on the field was an excellent captain IMO. Natural smart leader, helped young inexperienced players with positioning on the ground

(off field was a different matter - use to blow out with his weight, and some issues with the odd bet. Pre season wasnt a pretty sight)

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It says a lot doesn't it when it's skinny Simpson doing the aggression...(fantastic clubman Simpson, in the tradition of Dean, Hunter, Crane and Ratten etc

No wonder the Hawks laugh at us when we step onto the ground against them

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Laugh at us? And no wonder we haven't beaten either of them for who knows how long.

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NOW YOU'RE JUST SOME CLUB THAT I USED TO KNOW.

I didn't cast a vote in the poll. No point.
When Judd stood down from the captaincy, I believed Andrew Walker was the man to lead the club. I still do.

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Tight tag?? I saw him wandering about by himself most of the time. Even had a laugh with my mate that Melbourne dont even bother to put a man on him.

Something broke in Murph. He needed protection from the day he walked into this club but has never received it.

Murphy should retain the captaincy for the remainder of the season and emerge from this.

He needs to break out of his own shackles... get out of his comfort zone... be DIFFERENT, be LOUD physically and verbally.

In the situation the playing group finds itself in, if Murphy can't break out by the end of the season, he must be moved on.

the only reason i would change was if there was someone obvious to replace him. there isn't. leave him, as mckay said it's only a glitch

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Went to the game yesterday and as I was watching the disaster unfold with Murphy nowhere in sight, I remembered Round 1 2006 when we played Melbourne as the underdogs, coming off another wooden spoon with no hope in sight.

Yet that day we saw unearthing of a future superstar. The 18 year old Murphy that day was the signal of the new era, his composure, fearless attitude, superb kicking skills. He looked like he belong and we had something to finally look forward to.

What an irony that you fast forward 8 years, against the same team, this 18 year old is now a shell of his former self in that game. Where he was a beacon of light he is now the symbol of the darkness that is about to engulf our club.

Something went very very wrong in those 8 years and nobody at our club has a clue how to fix it.

Playing for free kicks also doesn't set a good example.

Judd was a warrior. he led by example. not necessarily the best trait for a captain, but a very common one. Murphy brings nothing to the table. he's barely even a good player anymore

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When do people learn that knee jerks do not solve the problem. Often they create more problems.

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Joint captaincy next year is the answer

Murph - Henderson - Simpson

Joint captaincy next year is the answer

Murph - Henderson - Simpson