Now i do not for a moment hink carlton tried to lose that game still the players and coaches etc do not live in a vacuum, what must have been tumbling around their heads pregamne and during the game, plus Seendon would remember that comeback I the first game and would have hated it. Those two combinations make this game not one I'd point out.

Lets take the biggest shock of the year that horrible game against the Tigers - no not the one we won that had many people shitting themselves, the first game. I was there, hated every single miniyte of it, and my rose coloure dglasses melted that day, have not worn them since so what happened?

Well either overnight DPO lost the playing group or something else happned, a Factor of things, like

Teague... now I hate tpo be right but during his first season i called that this bloke is bnot a long term prospect - shit myself when he then played a ripper secopnd half of the year

My biggest fear at the moment is not with Denis in fcat, but rather the board

But then what about Stynes at lemourbne or Kennelly - how come the players at those clubs handled it? Is this the leadership problem that others have referred to?

the playing group as a while dripped their bundled because the club selected an irtish kid aroiund 6' 5''

According to Denis 90-95% of the guys tried their hardest. I think the 5-10% that didn't are no longer at the club.

thank you EB and i and y encircle u Ryan - like wagons and indians and stampedes and stuff!