What I don't understand is the number of players who are playing worse than last year:
Waite, Garlett, Robbo, Tuohy, Walker, Bell, McLean, McInnes, Murphy, Carrazzo, Gibbs...
And players not really making any ground:
McInnes, Watson, Rowe, Casbolt, White, Boots, Yarran, Warnock
Apart from Simmo and Henderson and maybe Jammo, the only players who appear to be working to their capacity are Curnow and Ellard, and their capacity isn't great to start with...
This is not just a recruiting issue...Fitness? Confidence? game plan?

Bruce Mathieson's question is a worthwhile one. How many of our blokes would get a game at Hawthorn? Henderson is the only answer I reckon.

But let's take Bruce's question to the next level. How many of our players would improve in the Hawthorn system? Strong board, winning culture, innovative coaching, membership-based focus... well I reckon then it would be a Melbourne cup sized field.

So much to improve on both on and off field before we start manufacturing players who would be capable of stepping into the Hawthorn side.

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Mathieson: 'it's just pathetic really. It's a disgrace in my opinion.'
Mathieson: 'I think we're a good 5-7 years away. I don't see them improving much.'
Mathieson: 'you have to look at your players. How many of our players would get a game at Hawthorn? There'd be lucky to be 3 or 4.'
Mathieson: 'You can't blame Mick.'
Mathieson: 'they should start right at this time. New president, look right through the club now. There's no use hanging around.'
Mathieson: 'I go through them all.. Murphy, bloody Gibbs, are they worth their money? They are getting Rolls Royce money.'

we need to get sos back to the club

Not a bad point.

We need to get some of our greats back and on a regular basis.

Not a bad point.

We need to get some of our greats back and on a regular basis.

Quite a few of our players would be markedly better at another club with a better culture and player development IMO.

There is something internally going on - or they would not play like this after the week they had. There is some kind of split in the group or conflict with coaching or admin staff. Something is rotten in the State of Navy Blue

There is something internally going on - or they would not play like this after the week they had. There is some kind of split in the group or conflict with coaching or admin staff. Something is rotten in the State of Navy Blue

When it comes down to it, that's all I can come up with it as well. I have no idea what, but the performances we are putting up at the moment simply don't make sense.

Could be right mikkey.

Looks like a house divided, now Matheison calling for Sticks' head.

Oh boy. Finding it really difficult to find any positives. It was good to see Cripps out there today, that's a positive.

This will sound crazy but I believe the team is much much better than what they delivered today. Something is up, something is really up with the playing group. I don't know what it is, what I do know is we are a lot better than what we are dishing up at the minute.
Is it purely a mental thing? A rot set into the group as a whole? I don't know about the game plan being the culprit. In all seriousness these guys are "professional" footballers after all, what they are serving up, regardless of game plans is anything but professional. This goes way way deeper than game plans imho.

Last week we were told by EVERYONE associated with the club that last weeks effort against Essendon** would not be tolerated. Mick said he'd hope its a one off thing. Clearly it isn't, and ALL effort needs to be made to find out what the REAL issue is at Carlton. I am not going to believe our list is as bad as they are playing. Forget the media, they talk shit 99% of the time anyway. I remember winning 3 games and being Premiership favourites for God's sake ...
No, something is definitely wrong at Carlton amongst the playing group and it isn't game plans, presidents, coaches or recruiting. Its the players I'm 100% certain of that. The big question is what?

Theories abound here, but could it be as simple as they are in a hole at the moment as a group? A 100% between the ears problem that will only be remedied by getting back on the horse and having another go until it rights itself, however long that will take?
Some teams come out of the blocks firing, others don't. Could it be we've simply come out of the blocks in the worst possible condition (head wise) and have hit a MASSIVE form slump right across the board that is infectious and effecting the ability of the entire team?

Got a chuckle out of me AGRO.

There is something internally going on - or they would not play like this after the week they had. There is some kind of split in the group or conflict with coaching or admin staff. Something is rotten in the State of Navy Blue