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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:23 pm 
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Not quite sure why so much negativity? Perhaps I'm naive, but what harm does a group like this do? If someone else out there thinks they can organise an alternative, why not just have a go at it and wish Josh well his endeavour?

Josh, all the best with this. I hope it benefits Carlton, and if it also helps you personally along the way, well, fair play to you. But I think we all agree the best interests of the club is paramount :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:35 pm 
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Good luck to them.

Smart young blood with bright ideas can't be a bad thing when our football club in particular seems bereft of innovation and spark. Where is the next generation of club leaders to come from. Can't begrudge them the side benefit of career networking when their hearts are in the right place.

Please dump the cynicism and class warfare people.

And I'm way too old to be even considered.

Well done Josh.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:41 pm 
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Must say I'm pretty pleased to see up to 45 considered young :smile:


They wouldn't want too many 44 year olds. They'd then have to terminate them, Logan's Run style, a year later.

I think we're in an age where inclusiveness is the key to a sustainable club. This feels like the opposite to me. But that's the Carlton way, I guess.


As a 44 year old that was the first thing that crossed my mind... :lol:

There's a fairly strong whiff of the Young Libs in the proposition from where I'm sitting.

Not sure how a class based criteria makes people want to be a part of anything.

Other than that I have a problem with anyone who wants to start an organisation of "Young" anything.

We have a playing list of footballers who don't want to be men and now we're meant to get together socially and be "young" together?

Man up the lot of you and grow some facial hair for @#$%&!'s sake.

Rambo Stallone would be embarrassed.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:46 pm 
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46 : (

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:48 pm 
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HTP wrote:
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Really?

I always thought you were younger than me. :sly:

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:07 pm 
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Is the board just backing this YCP group because they are Carlton members who are young and just happen to have a degree?

What about a HCTCP group?

Would the club be interested in supporting such an initiative?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:13 pm 
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"Andy Maher, YCP's number one advocate and resident MC".

Here is the real problem.

How can an Essendon* supporter be part of the group?

Did anyone check his resume?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:15 am 
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GWS wrote:
JohnM wrote:
CK95 wrote:
Must say I'm pretty pleased to see up to 45 considered young :smile:


They wouldn't want too many 44 year olds. They'd then have to terminate them, Logan's Run style, a year later.

I think we're in an age where inclusiveness is the key to a sustainable club. This feels like the opposite to me. But that's the Carlton way, I guess.


As a 44 year old that was the first thing that crossed my mind... :lol:

There's a fairly strong whiff of the Young Libs in the proposition from where I'm sitting.

Not sure how a class based criteria makes people want to be a part of anything.

Other than that I have a problem with anyone who wants to start an organisation of "Young" anything.

We have a playing list of footballers who don't want to be men and now we're meant to get together socially and be "young" together?

Man up the lot of you and grow some facial hair for @#$%&!'s sake.

Rambo Stallone would be embarrassed.


Had a similar feeling. Given that Josh Frydenberg seems to be involved with a few of their events, doesn't seen far off it.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:29 am 
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Seems pretty clicky Josh...


Lets just see how it goes.
All i have to say is "Good luck!"

One of the major problems this club has is 'elitism'. clubs(bubbles ) within clubs (bubbles) .. but the club doesnt feel like a club.
Its not about little bubble groups nobody has ever heard of.. i reckon its more about embracing the wider community more.

Do us a favour Josh.
You and Candice and Holly and Trent.. keep us up to date with your initiatives and how you make a difference... over the years.
Id be interested.

PS when youre 40 years old.. do you create another executive for the 40- 43 group or do you change the constitution?..
Super interested ...

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:17 am 
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GWS wrote:
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Really?

I always thought you were younger than me. :sly:


Nah, me and Eddie Betts were in the same class, so that's probably where the confusion comes in.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:55 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Seems pretty clicky Josh...


Lets just see how it goes.
All i have to say is "Good luck!"

One of the major problems this club has is 'elitism'. clubs(bubbles ) within clubs (bubbles) .. but the club doesnt feel like a club.
Its not about little bubble groups nobody has ever heard of.. i reckon its more about embracing the wider community more.

Do us a favour Josh.
You and Candice and Holly and Trent.. keep us up to date with your initiatives and how you make a difference... over the years.
Id be interested.

PS when youre 40 years old.. do you create another executive for the 40- 43 group or do you change the constitution?..
Super interested ...

JK will be President by then and will have opened the place up as an all-embracing, accountable, inclusive, cutting edge football club. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:47 am 
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Scotty12000 wrote:
I'm at a bit of a loss here.


Don't ignore the second post in the thread Scotty! I don't have much to say beyond that. I find it extremely disappointing that Ryan Trainor and the YCP have hijacked a really decent model and turned it into a superficial version of what it could (and in my opinion should) be.

Put bluntly, if you've got a good idea for the betterment of the club and you want a board member to hear it - please be aged between 20-45 and pony up $200 to the YCP on top of your Carlton membership. And please be employed full-time or own your own business. I'm under 45, but I work 4 days a week. I'm also not a Carlton Football Club member, so I'm out on two counts immediately. Next month I'm resigning from work...unofficially unemployed for 5 months while in the States. Definitely not YCP material. I'm going to day-trade when I get back...nup...don't qualify.

Guess I won't be contributing any more ideas to the club. Perhaps Jay Allen and Ryan Trainor - who peruse this site from time-to-time would care to come on and enlighten some of you. As for me, I'm just about done.

The club hierarchy think they have the best interests of the club at heart. They're convinced they're doing a good job. They're not. The club is a basketcase from top to bottom. I wish it wasn't so. If Bruce Mathieson had the guts he'd do the first thing he does with pubs when he buys them...gets rid of management. But if he did - he'd be getting rid of family and those he's helped put on the board...so he can't. We simply haven't evolved as a football club.

Things like the YCP existed in the late 80's - just under a different guise. The Young Executives began in 1989 and like the YCP was a quasi-coterie group. The stronger coteries like the Ton Up Club, Carltonians and Blue Ensigns helped them along, but it was short-lived. I've got no problem with supporter groups - but in 2014 - it and the associated elitist 'Think Tank' are not what the club needs.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:59 am 
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Rexy wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Seems pretty clicky Josh...


Lets just see how it goes.
All i have to say is "Good luck!"

One of the major problems this club has is 'elitism'. clubs(bubbles ) within clubs (bubbles) .. but the club doesnt feel like a club.
Its not about little bubble groups nobody has ever heard of.. i reckon its more about embracing the wider community more.

Do us a favour Josh.
You and Candice and Holly and Trent.. keep us up to date with your initiatives and how you make a difference... over the years.
Id be interested.

PS when youre 40 years old.. do you create another executive for the 40- 43 group or do you change the constitution?..
Super interested ...

JK will be President by then and will have opened the place up as an all-embracing, accountable, inclusive, cutting edge football club. :thumbsup:


Now that's an idea ....


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 12:03 pm 
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Doesn't seem to be a dress code.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:44 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:

Next month I'm resigning from work...unofficially unemployed for 5 months while in the States. Definitely not YCP material. I'm going to day-trade when I get back...nup...don't qualify.


You may wish to check out David Hunt with your day-trading. Handy assistance on technical analysis.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:05 pm 
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seems like a whole load of wannabe self serving wank to me

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grrofunger wrote:
seems a whole load of wannabe self serving wank to me


Pretty much sums up the bubble.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:15 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
seems a whole load of wannabe self serving wank to me


Pretty much sums up the bubble.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:16 pm 
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thought so

and apart from not living in melbourne - i more than meet the criteria

but i would touch it with a ten foot pole

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