actually effes im not a child... i dont believe in bedtime stories

u say its the gameplan.. i say its the club

the gameplan will be changed...so that the players can now show us what they had hidden away.

so the players have nowhere to hide now.. and neither do u with your theory

this is the line in the sand that you have always dreamed about

the players will now strategise what they want.....

if they fail and this has no sustainability... you have been in denial and have sided with the players in taking ownership

pagan was ok... 2 AFL flags
10 prelims in a row
coached without carey in his last year .. still made the finals.

mm coached 4 gfs in 10 years at collingwood..
1 flag 3 runners up
as recent as 2 years before he came

we will now see what these players that u think have an amazing amount of skill and will be threading the ball through the eye of a needle and show us their amzing endurance can really do

are u ready for it???

remember.. this needs to be sustained for the season....to prove anything..

lets see...

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Couldn't agree more. Jumping at shadows if you think the coach is the cause of this. Can not believe players we have reached the stage where our players vote on whether they want to apply defensive pressure

..gameplans require half a brain and all of the heart.. ..too many lack both, and the few that have it, get overworked and broken down..

....the rubbish we dish up isn't the game plan from mm, how the pies played under him that is what he wants.. ..perhaps it is outdated, but it will hold up and get you to finals, do it well enough and it will get you to top four.. ..you see, all gameplans rely on massive effort and the key to pulling apart most gameplans, is using even more effort than them..

..we don't have anywhere near enough effort cos that job is up to somebody else..,

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we dont even have the cattle....
there are no talls
there are no hard runners
the disposal is sloppy
little baby ellard nails 2 goals.. and then a giy who has been around for a long time and paid well waite.. misses his.. and says "@#$%&!!".. and shrugs his shoulders and thats it..

thats not gameplan.... thats just a lack of care and no responsibility

i dotn even care about the gameplan or the coach.. as long as we know what we need to do to get there

i care about the club from top to bottom..

if that means mick has to go so be it... but i know there should be a hell of alot more going before him
he has runs on the board.. they dont

the silver bullet people give me the creeps now... seriously

when people think one guy will change the club ... they belong on our board as well...

seriously

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..it's about effort.. ..funny thing about effort, get more ppl to put in, the less each has to do.. ..but it's always someone else's job..

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But Ratten had the cattle and you blamed him for everything - even frustrating Judd to the point where he resorted to pressure points and chicken tackles.

Within 1 pre season, 1 book launch and 1 sausage sizzle our cattle became inadequate so that you can defend the Great Malthouse....just like you defended Pagan for 6 years and blamed the players then.

Its definitely a club problem, but as far as I am concerned, if I can see that the players are putting in a high work rate, first class 1%ers and team related sacrifices out on the ground, I will never criticize them, win lose or draw....

At the moment the players deserve a huge boot up the backside for coming out at the start of the season and not ticking the basics box - AGAIN....if they wish to represent the great navy blues, in that manner, then they can go and get [REDACTED]

(Incidentally Mr S, the great Barrassi also went to sydney to coach and was terrible...have you seen his coaching record before he went up there? I don't give a @#$%&! what a coach has done before they set foot at the blues. What are they doing now? What is Mick doing now? The only thing that matters)

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There you are cherry picking again

There are lots of posters who are unhappy with MM and the board and other aspects of the club

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Who thinks the coach is the singular cause?
It's the board, the administration, the players AND the coach.
They all have their share of liability.

You're the one consistently absolving the coach of any liability Michael Jezz.
Too many people looking after their own backs and their own interests at the expense of the club and Mick is as guilty as the others.
Look at the coaching group he has assembled.
Laughable.

They're all culpable and its a @#$%&! disgrace what has happened to our club. What's worse, they screwed it all up 10 years ago and they've made the same stupid mistakes again!

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If it's true that Mick touched base with the leadership group to re-assess their feelings on the game plan,
then I applaud that.


I subscribe to the theory that there are a LOT of things that are PARTLY wrong at the club.
If you can start to fix a few of them, then we will start to gain some momentum.


Right now I am more concerned about the leadership and mental application of the players than the game plan.
You don't lose by 90ish points SOLELY because you're out-coached.

I'm also more concerned with what *I* perceive as a lack of quality performance from the entire coaching panel.
Whether that's because we pay the assistants peanuts, or Laidley isn't fitting in well, who knows.
Whatever the reason, there is more going on with the coaching than just Mick.

,,,,you didn't mention Robert Wiley, the DIRECTOR of coaching and development

Wiley is DIRECTING the coaching staff, presumably according to the wishes of Mick Malthouse....

Wiley the DIRECTOR of coaching and development - Wiley DIRECTS the coaching staff - he DIRECTS them

who knows whats happening with this club at the moment....

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ratten created the cattle
gave up 3 picks for juddy
recruited 20 odd hbfers. unchallenged
and now we dont have any second or third round picks except robbo and rowe.. rowe was a special draftee wish from rats

effes... i have never waivered away from final responsibility is the board and sticks
and the fact we dont have a success culture

i have also said if we have an independent review and the review says mick is hopeless he should go too

i have never pretended mick is the core of our problems... u do

see u think.. as does cretylus and others .. that if we get a new coach were saved.

i can think of nothing more laughable.

i know mm was horrified with recruitment and leadership and work ethic.

he said so two times last year and he said it again this year

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cretylus when barrassi went to sydney .. how long was it since his last flag???

answer the question!!!

go on.. answer the question....

i bet u u wont.. and if u do.. it basically answers your question.

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Synbad jibing someone for not answering a question!

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Barassi wasn't terrible at Sydney....he was actually quite good. He turned the place around starting with one of the worst lists I've seen.
1993 -1 win
1994- 4 wins
1995-8 wins
Brought in Roos and Lockett
He set it up for Eade to follow him.

Let me see if I get this straight mr S.....Ratten who was a first time coach, and who you say has limited intellectual capacity, was able to do anything he likes at the blues, total control of every single decision made at the club,

BUT

the magnificent Mick Malthouse, a triple premiership coach who everybody in the media is afraid of and was specifically head hunted by the blues on a massive 3 year deal, last year suggested to the blues to trade a few players and was over ridden like a timid little white rabbit?

You yourself supported the Judd trade. We all wanted Josh Kennedy to stay, and so did he and his team mates.

I certainly don't believe a change of coach is the silver bullet that solves everything at a club. Its a important piece in the puzzle, but as Parkin has always said, if you don't get the other 8"critical areas spot on, then the senior coaching appointment is irrelevant.

Why hasn't Malthouse made an immediate impact on this team when he took over the senior coaching role?

At the beginning of 2013, NOBODY anywhere in the football community predicted that Port Power would finish above carlton at the end of season, and nobody put them in the final 8. Nobody. Many ranked their list as near the bottom of the afl.

They are certainly playing as a team and ticking a lot of boxes (and it's not only because they have chad Wingard in the side).

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dane the virtual sycophant

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The afl helps with the recruiting and salary cap scams at sydney....

I am sure it was Logmuire that clinched the deal for Buddy signing up.....and Tippet etc..

And you think because Barrassi managed 13 wins in 3 years, he was a genius.??

Barrassi ranting and raving, and pushing players to achieve, challenging them with intimidation just didn't work anymore and he admitted that publicly after he retired. Barrassi going to sydney was yet another afl promotional tactic....probably worked off the field.

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So now Mr S you not only owe Ratts an apology but the Great Dane an apology as well.....

You will do as the Great Dane demands of you, you will answer the questions put to you like a man.

The Great Dane has spoken ladies and gentlemen

We must all lower our heads to the Great Dane

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so when was barrassi coach of swan and hen did he win his last flag cretylus???

surely u need to put things into perspective when u make big statements.

one of the worst things anyone can do is not have a context attached to what they say... it ends up meaning theyre talking shit and dont really have an argument

so when did barassi win his last flag compared to when he coached sydney

sorry . ill make it abit easier for u. when was barassis last season in the finals.. before he went to the swans.

all u have to do cretylus is look in the record book return sheepishly with your tail between your legs and answer the question.

its not too hard is it???

look and find when barassis last flag / and finals campaign was and when he ended up at sydney
surely is this is the cut and thrust of your argument .. you know the answer...
surely you dont make ridiculous points and then not put them into some kind of logical contaxt

do we take u seriously or not???

are you a poster that throws ridiculous mumbo jumbo around and expect to be taken seriously???

well are you???
answer the question please.... try to make an argument as to why u make a statement like that.. just dont run away from it....

youre just like all the others arent you?
i thought u would give us more...
i thought you had more in you cretylus...

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Not a genius...just not the terrible coach you suggested he was.