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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:42 am 
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Malthouse game plan has won the Premiership across 3 decades each of which has had different trends in football emerge. We have a successful game plan, just no players to make the most of it.
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John Kennedy senior won 3 flags within 15 years. Why hasn't someone snapped him up?
Too bad Norm Smith isn't around still. He won 6 flags. That makes him twice as good as Mick.

Obviously if someone had successful gameplans previously, it means they do now!


So what you're telling me is they all won numerous flags with a consistent game plan that didn't vary much. Is that right?


What I'm telling you is it's ridiculous to suggest that because a game plan was successful previously, it has to be today.

A quick look at the AFL ladder should give an indication as the team who is living in the past is 0-3 with a percentage of 64 while the successful teams of 2014 are implementing a gamestyle based upon retaining possession.

Its not an opinion. Its a statistical reality.

Forget the personalities. This isnt about Mick or Ratts or anyone else. Its about how the game is being played. How is there any value in winning a contested possession and putting it back into a contested situation?
With the opposition players also spending 40 hours a week at the clubs preparing set ups, doing opposition analysis, structural and tactical drills, zone specific training, meetings etc, how do you expect our players to transition the ball from defence to attack when the opposition know exactly where we're going to kick the ball?
Everyone knows Geelong and Essendon* will bring the ball from defence with fast hands, playing in at every opportunity or Hawthorn will slice you up with short kicks but what part of the ground do they use? They take the corridor, the wings, anywhere there's space. They dont go back behind the mark giving the opposition an opportunity to set their zone. It's a lot harder to set a zone against players when you're protecting the width of the ground and the ball movement is quick.
Their speed of ball movement gives them a numbers advantage and they use it beautifully,
Comparatively, how easy are we to play against? We let the opposition know our patterns of play so they can condense their press and what's more, the kick-mark/contest tempo gives them ample opportunity to set their press beautifully.

How would you like to be a Carlton backman? They're told to press up the ground when the ball comes out of defence and guard space. Only to see the ball turned over by virtue of our intentionally contested game style and meanwhile their lazy opponents are out the back for easy goals.
Even if our players were worldbeaters and won 60% of the contested footy, we're still giving the opposition 40% of the possession after we've had 100%.
And you're telling me thats a good game plan?

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:11 am 
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Looking at the stats BV, apparently we've been hitting up the corridor from kick outs less than 8% of the time this season.

If that's a coaching instruction then he's completely out of his mind. I very much doubt it is, and it's lead us to triple the AFL average in turnovers behind centre. That's one example of many where I think not enough players are bothering to offer an alternative.

I cannot believe for a second that the coach isn't providing alternative patterns of ball movement, and how to up tempo and switch more effectively when the opposition is holding their zone well. The whole lack of a plan B thing has haunted every coach since Pagan, and has been touched on by all of them in their tenures, so you've got to be kidding me if you think it's the coach failing or failing to communicate.

It's a select group of players panicking, and the lack of a senior core capable of arresting that and setting an example for others to follow.

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Well I heard McKay saying yesterday on TBP that they're gonna try something different.
Will be interesting to watch.


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Rexy wrote:
Well I heard McKay saying yesterday on TBP that they're gonna try something different.
Will be interesting to watch.


may I suggest we try accountable, tough and straight down the guts football.

call me a dreamer

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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whoa! Radical


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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yeah sack him.....

get the next one in.....

weve been complaining about gameplans for 15 years
there is so much wrong with this club its ridiculous to talk about gameplans right now.

there just isnt much to hang your hat on anywhere

were only staring at the things we can see and not the things we cant see...
ultimately its the things u cant see that influences the things u can see


we are like the board... were looking at all the wrong places
hoping for guys to pin point passes and thats somehow gunna fix things around the club
or the cretylus book tour.. thats it... he found the answer...

u can look at every sector of this club and its broken.....

how do u fix it?... well u start at the beginning.... the board.. and from there u work through all the club

the rest is BULLSHIT!!!.. youre all gunna be complaining about the same things in 5 years... ten years... 20 years.....

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Rexy wrote:
Well I heard McKay saying yesterday on TBP that they're gonna try something different.
Will be interesting to watch.

start with the board leaving.. and it just might work

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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Synbad wrote:
there is so much wrong with this club its ridiculous to talk about gameplans right now.


Carlton coach Mick Malthouse has taken the unusual step of asking his players whether they want to persist with his game plan, as the Blues attempt to resurrect their season in the wake of their shocking loss to Essendon*.

Malthouse and his assistant coaches met with captain Marc Murphy and his leadership group this week, with the three-time premiership coach going as far as seeking direct input on a game plan that he had already tinkered with last season when the Blues also began poorly.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/b ... zqstw.html

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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More and more embarrassing

Every day it gets worse

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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yes of course he has... his gameplan stops them from tackling

and of course they wont like his gameplan.... but they wont like the next one too

u see effes...
its a cultural problem

what gameplan will they like..? the one where they get to show off their skills??

if u cant see.... that its not about gameplans anymore.. and the club is the old sick man of the AFL... i feel sorry for u

there is no silver bullet

ill play the devils advocate and say... mm will put the gameplan on the players.. and see if theyre responsible to see through the next one.

excuse after excuse after excuse

mm knows this group of players are failing on what he wants them to do... so now he will put them to the test....

hes not silly.....

hes going to say ok... now u lot tell me what u think u can do

ull see.. they will fail...

why?
because theyre soft!!!1

they have shown us theyre soft

micks going to show them up

smart guy mick......

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 Post subject: Re: Re: Re:
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Synbad wrote:
Rexy wrote:
Well I heard McKay saying yesterday on TBP that they're gonna try something different.
Will be interesting to watch.

start with the board leaving.. and it just might work

There needs to be some sort of cataclysmic event occur (manufactured if need be).


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:28 pm 
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make no mistake....

when the group cant play out the gameplan
and the onus gets put straiight back on them... which is what this is all about..
they better perform... there is nowhere to hide.

mick is on record making them accountable for once...

mckay said theyre gunna do something different

lets just see who is accountable and who isnt.

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:29 pm 
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our players need empowerment...
love that idea... lets see what they do with it...

from this point its not micks fault.. and we should make the finals...

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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McKay said the Blues had intensified training this week and noted club directors were pleased that players had been taking extra shots at goal.

"I think a couple of things need to come into consideration. We need to be better at kicking goals. It sounds so basic and so fundamental but we haven't been able to do it," McKay said.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/b ... z2yS0pe1Vx


Gee, glad to see we're doing some extra goal kicking practice, only been an issue for years


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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oh and can i say mick told the board this group of players are the mentaly softest group he has ever worked with???
that they have no heart bar a half a dozen...

that they lack competiveness and heart
theyre not galvanised fo the game

and look for excuses

this was not the first time he told the board that... though the richmond game conjured up some jerking and people forgot about sydney....

mick told them....

now he is putting the spotlight back on the players

they have a chance of coaching their own destiny and showing off their creamy silky skills

im interested in how theyre gunna go about it...

its not one week or two... we need some perserverence and sustainability from this new player initiative.. will it be more half baked stuff.. or wll they finally show some ticker ??

alot of them are in the gun.. so hey better show something

marc...
as captain u better stand up!!!

im paraphrasing as i heard it second hand....

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Nah, we need an independent review, from president to coach to doorman...


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:43 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
yes of course he has... his gameplan stops them from tackling

and of course they wont like his gameplan.... but they wont like the next one too

u see effes...
its a cultural problem

what gameplan will they like..? the one where they get to show off their skills??

if u cant see.... that its not about gameplans anymore.. and the club is the old sick man of the AFL... i feel sorry for u

there is no silver bullet

ill play the devils advocate and say... mm will put the gameplan on the players.. and see if theyre responsible to see through the next one.

excuse after excuse after excuse

mm knows this group of players are failing on what he wants them to do... so now he will put them to the test....

hes not silly.....

hes going to say ok... now u lot tell me what u think u can do

ull see.. they will fail...

why?
because theyre soft!!!1

they have shown us theyre soft

micks going to show them up

smart guy mick......


agree with everything in this post.


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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Synbad wrote:
oh and can i say mick told the board this group of players are the mentaly softest group he has ever worked with???
that they have no heart bar a half a dozen...

that they lack competiveness and heart
theyre not galvanised fo the game

and look for excuses

this was not the first time he told the board that... though the richmond game conjured up some jerking and people forgot about sydney....

mick told them....

now he is putting the spotlight back on the players

they have a chance of coaching their own destiny and showing off their creamy silky skills

im interested in how theyre gunna go about it...

its not one week or two... we need some perserverence and sustainability from this new player initiative.. will it be more half baked stuff.. or wll they finally show some ticker ??

alot of them are in the gun.. so hey better show something

marc...
as captain u better stand up!!!

im paraphrasing as i heard it second hand....


We heard all of this during the Pagan years.

You will change your mind.

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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McKay said the Blues had intensified training this week and noted club directors were pleased that players had been taking extra shots at goal.

"I think a couple of things need to come into consideration. We need to be better at kicking goals. It sounds so basic and so fundamental but we haven't been able to do it," McKay said.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/b ... te-on-myes ick-malthouses-game-plan-20140409-zqstw.html#ixzz2yS0pe1Vx


Gee, glad to see we're doing some extra goal kicking practice, only been an issue for years

yes.. love it......

mckay said .... "directors were pleased were doing extra kicking practice"

why are directors referred to in that statement ???

they know what we must do.. our directors... :lol: :thumbsup:

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