The MM haters want us to play a high possession gamplan... we cant throw a 5 meter handpass without a team mate having to pick it up around their ankles... and don't get me started on our kicking... good luck with that.

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its not a matter of hating this coach or that coach...

what processes has Mick put into place at the club to improve the skills and endurance of the players ? He has had 18 months to make an impact.

And for MM you cant even give him a honey moon period - he is an experienced triple premiership coach that has coached 3 different clubs before landing at Visy... One would think that Mick would hit the road running....

We have seen an inexperienced Brad Green put in charge of the midfield which has gone backwards. Mick has kept Cappuano and Barker, the 6 year+ assistants...He couldn't keep Betts for an extra 100k, a player who was not only a great goal kicker, but was the most defensive forward in the league over the past 2 or 3 years. We paid top dollar for Thomas who is a fantastic players but not a match winner. The Cats or Hawks wouldn't even bother recruiting Daisy let alone fork out 700k.

We do Arizona junkets and sausage sizzles and the odd book tour..

Nobody takes responsibility...

Except for Swann, who's sole responsibility is to become a private recruitment firm for the Collingwood Football club.

The club has a lot to answer for - we all do!

And remember Mr Malthouse didn't even see the Essendon** loss coming....

Surrey in my view the real problem is not the game plan - although I think we should get with the more modern style and our structures need to be tweaked - the problem is the ineptitude of the players effecting it and the leaders on the field -ie if you cant hit a target to save yourself doesn't matter about the game plan you are in trouble - couple with the fact that we are incredibly lazy defensively - not just against Essendon** but last quarter against port clearly demonstrated this - factor in also that we are one of the slowest teams in the league - yes I know Mitchell is slow but disposal is fantastic and he has smith and hill burning interms of performance and pace
As suggested last week in a post where are our stars - we have many b graders and c graders on our list and in the VFL - frighteningly in an article today we hear that cachia may come in - hello how different is he to robinson mclean ellard - he isn't- disposal sloppy and slow as treacle - don't like doing this but really how many teams in the AFL would have sam rowe as one of their key defenders or forwards - more frightening is in my view wasn't our worst player by a long shot on sunday night

My hope for the rest of the season is that we get games into Docherty graham Holman Watson menzel buckley cripps - treat the rest of the season as almost pre-season for 2015 - work on kicking skills /defensive mechanisms game plan from now on - weed out who isn't going to take us forward - forget the bloody scoreboard and win and loss ration - the bloody season is completely gone understand that live with it and start building a professional skilled side - go into the draft and trade period with a well thought out plan - given we now have 9 months and effect it and give the supporters some hope for 2015

A game plan will make Robbo smarter... a game plan will make Watson more athletic... a game plan will give Curnow a second gear... a game plan will make Ellard a foot taller so he can play in a key position.... a game plan will take a year or two off of Waite and make him less injury prone... A game plan will reinvigorate Chris Judd... a game plan will erase all memories of Jamison's injuries and past football history and bring his confidence back... a game plan will make Mark Murphy an extrovert... a game plan will give us two Hendersons... A game plan will bring Betts back... A game plan will give Mclean back to Melbourne... A game plan...

yes but if you go higher up Cretylus
the board headhunted him but didnt find any proper assistant coaches

One thing about mm.. is he told the board 3 times our list is crap.. our demeanour is crap.. and theyre not competitive players

basically there are six proper footballers who have the fire in the belly to not lose
jamo
walker
simmo
scotland
and a couple of others.

he knew that... that game just reaffirmed what he believed and said to the board

5 a graders were mentioned
i dont believe mick really believes we have five...

hes been more honest with his assesment than the board or the footy manager have

what ur quoting is public consumption stuff...i dont blame you for reading the herald sun and believing everything that gets put in it... alot of people do that.

but behind closed doors.. that game was an affirmation on what he told the board last year....

Well that's not going to happen - and neither it should. Not if we're looking to rebuild.

A game plan will make Robbo smarter... a game plan will make Watson more athletic... a game plan will give Curnow a second gear... a game plan will make Ellard a foot taller so he can play in a key position.... a game plan will take a year or two off of Waite and make him less injury prone... A game plan will reinvigorate Chris Judd... a game plan will erase all memories of Jamison's injuries and past football history and bring his confidence back... a game plan will make Mark Murphy an extrovert... a game plan will give us two Hendersons... A game plan will bring Betts back... A game plan will give Mclean back to Melbourne... A game plan...

In what universe?

The article is a little off. My understanding is MM didn't tell the board at the last board meeting the list wasn't much chop - he told them at the end of last year. But rather than looking at the way Sydney exposed us - the club hierarchy was still buoyed from defeating Richmond and told MM that wholesale changes wouldn't be made.

So those chiding Malthouse have no idea. None at all. Their frustration should be with the board. The renovation needed is more than people think. Right now - you'd only save the facade. Gut the rest. Before it's too late.

At no point has Brad Green been in charge of the midfield. It's the second time you've raised it in this thread, and its not true. He was a development coach in 2013 and is fwd coach in 2014.

It's also been claimed in this thread that Thomas is on $700k per year, it's widely been reported that it is actually $625k, that Thomas is on twice as much as Betts, it's been widely reported that Betts is on $450k - $475k per season, no where near half as much as Thomas. And it's also been claimed that Betts left over a $100k difference in contract offers, clearly money was a factor in him leaving but let's not make it out to be the only factor. We all now there was more to it than that.

Too many posts in recent weeks that stretch the truth, or blatantly disregard it, to suit a pre-determined argument.

We can take a leaf from the recent Super Bowl champs, Seattle Seahawks, recruiting strategy since coach Pete Carroll came on board in 2010, was to recruit ultra competitive players that had a chip on their shoulder. They would use this character to drive them to Super Bowl 48 and win by denying the best offence in the league to a record low score, whilst the Seahawks were rated one of the best defences in NFL history.

The players actually said they wanted their opponents to know that they meant business every time they needed to defend or attack and hit them as hard as possible, and they wanted to hit them like the teams of the past like the bears of 85.

They rated every game as a championship game. Their aim was to ensure they went 1-0 every week. Not looking ahead at all other than the week they played.

They built their culture on these foundations and became the best team in the land.

At no point has Brad Green been in charge of the midfield. It's the second time you've raised it in this thread, and its not true. He was a development coach in 2013 and is fwd coach in 2014.

It's also been claimed in this thread that Thomas is on $700k per year, it's widely been reported that it is actually $625k, that Thomas is on twice as much as Betts, it's been widely reported that Betts is on $450k - $475k per season, no where near half as much as Thomas. And it's also been claimed that Betts left over a $100k difference in contract offers, clearly money was a factor in him leaving but let's not make it out to be the only factor. We all now there was more to it than that.

Too many posts in recent weeks that stretch the truth, or blatantly disregard it, to suit a pre-determined argument.

We can take a leaf from the recent Super Bowl champs, Seattle Seahawks, recruiting strategy since coach Pete Carroll came on board in 2010, was to recruit ultra competitive players that had a chip on their shoulder. They would use this character to drive them to Super Bowl 48 and win by denying the best offence in the league to a record low score, whilst the Seahawks were rated one of the best defences in NFL history.

The players actually said they wanted their opponents to know that they meant business every time they needed to defend or attack and hit them as hard as possible, and they wanted to hit them like the teams of the past like the bears of 85.

They rated every game as a championship game. Their aim was to ensure they went 1-0 every week. Not looking ahead at all other than the week they played.

They built their culture on these foundations and became the best team in the land.

hard to believe our team wold play a brazilian brand of footy
its like asking the socceroos to play brazil and play one touch footy... just wouldnt work... would be a slaughter.

I can't watch Carlton matches this year (I watched the first match and part of the 2nd-didn't watch the Essendon** match at all)... .and it is largely due to the style of play, which is unattractive to watch. It is a "protecting the zone" style of play, so what they do is allow the opposition easy possessions in the back half and even in the midfield for the most part when the ball is loose, and then only put "pressure" on them once they get in the forward half. By then it is too late strategically and in terms of morale. Every time an opposition player gets the ball it builds up confidence and resilience, so allowing any easy possessions is the wrong way to go.

Spoiling, shepharding, protecting the ball carrier, run past for the handball, play-on footy, tackling, effective tackling - you don't see it for the most part, man on man pressure is the only way to win. Carlton play as if it is basketball or soccer, or some other non-contact sport. They deserve everything they get. If they play contested football, having linking play with handballs, lead the tackling and pressure acts ALL OVER THE GROUND and lose, so be it, I can watch them again, but until then I just find the style highly unattractive.