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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:59 pm 
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Amazing how people on here are seeing Wood as the saviour. FMD :hitcomputer:

Instead of Wood we should have recruited a young developing project ruckmen and given him games if Warnock and Kruezer both went down. Wood is not the future. Warnock is our ruckmen and we are paying him a fortune to do so therefore we are stuck with him. Playing Wood makes no sense.


Ive seen enough of Warnock to know that he is SHIT...completely and utterly SHIT!!

Last time I checked, Kruezer is out for an extended period

I'm prepared to give Wood an opportunity. Simple as that...unless I missed something during the preseason and we drafted Sandilands who we've had in the ressies

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:00 pm 
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Yes finally acknowledged how poor Touhy has been this year !!!!!!! He was one of my favs last year, what the hell happened to him. Looks slow, falls over all the time, poor one on one.

I agree with your outs Bluey44, and also agree Wood should be elevated. Much as anyone will say about him, including myself when we got him, does float around the ground and takes marks. More than any of our other ruckmen do.


yes!! Touhy had been awful this season, honestly he needs at least 3 - 5 weeks back in the reserves, he's a complete waste of space out there right now.

and i agree with most on here, drop Warnock and Rowe, let Wood and Casboult take the rucks... and then when Kreuzer comes back leave him in the ruck where he belongs, at least he competes around the ground.

Even though a lot of Gibbs' possessions where ineffective I did get the sense a few times he was at least trying to crash into the packs, which he did none of against Richmond... I definitely don't think he's our main culprit right now.

for me...

OUT: Warnock, Touhy, Robinson, Ellard, Rowe
IN: Graham, Casboult, Wood, Cripps, Scotland


One who has been very poor is Garlett, I thought Rowe was ok and Robbo is 3rd in disposals so would keep him.



Out: Garlett, Touhy, White
In: dont care



Ins "you don't care" as you obviously "don't care" where Robbo's disposals go to either.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:27 pm 
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outs; rowe, robinson, ellard, white and curnow
ins; casboult, cripps, graham, scotland and docherty
buckley jamison simpson
scotland henderson walker
yarran carrazzo tuohy
thomas waite gibbs
menzel casboult garlett
warnock murphy cripps
i/c; everitt docherty bell
sub; graham
-waite and casboult, our two tall forwards
-henderson and jamison, our two tall defenders
-robinson, mclean, curnow and ellard have had their chance, now its cripps, docherty and grahams turn
-temay, holman and giles should play a few games later on in the season
-yarran to play the play maker role, not the shut down defender role
-menzel, cripps, docherty, buckley and graham could give us some hope for the future


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:33 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
Ive seen enough of Warnock to know that he is SHIT...completely and utterly SHIT!!



I have seen Wood at Brisbane and then Collingwood and if you think Warnock is at that level you describe then keep going lower for Wood because Wood is worse than Warnock. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:39 pm 
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Clayman wrote:
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Ive seen enough of Warnock to know that he is SHIT...completely and utterly SHIT!!



I have seen Wood at Brisbane and then Collingwood and if you think Warnock is at that level you describe then keep going lower for Wood because Wood is worse than Warnock. :thumbsup:



I know it's not saying much, but in the pre-season Wood looked better than anything Warnock has produced so far.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:16 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
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Ive seen enough of Warnock to know that he is SHIT...completely and utterly SHIT!!



I have seen Wood at Brisbane and then Collingwood and if you think Warnock is at that level you describe then keep going lower for Wood because Wood is worse than Warnock. :thumbsup:



I know it's not saying much, but in the pre-season Wood looked better than anything Warnock has produced so far.

Agree...

Warnock is rubbish and most likely won't last the whole season

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:21 pm 
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Hornet wrote:
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99prelim wrote:
Ive seen enough of Warnock to know that he is SHIT...completely and utterly SHIT!!



I have seen Wood at Brisbane and then Collingwood and if you think Warnock is at that level you describe then keep going lower for Wood because Wood is worse than Warnock. :thumbsup:



I know it's not saying much, but in the pre-season Wood looked better than anything Warnock has produced so far.

Agree...

Warnock is rubbish and most likely won't last the whole season


Unfortunately, others require more evidence of shitness before they're convinced

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:44 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
Unfortunately, others require more evidence of shitness before they're convinced


I just don't have a wood over Wood.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:47 pm 
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Dawes probably back for the Dees this week...


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:11 pm 
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Chris Dawes hasn't played a single minute this year. No NAB cup or VFL. I'd be more worried about Garland who is in line to return.

When Melbourne beat Essendon* in 2012, he played forward & kicked 4 IIRC. With their complete lack of talls I wouldn't be surprised if he plays forward.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:37 pm 
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Watto should play this week if Dawes does.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:44 pm 
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They will be busy plotting our demise....
And they would be feeling confident

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:53 pm 
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They (like all other 17 sides) will be setting themselves for this game.

We are the team that commands no respect in this competition and the team that all other struggling/mediocre/mid range teams know they have a chance against if they play to their maximum.

In the 1980s the only way these teams had a chance against us was if we decided the odds were too juicy to pass up. :wink:

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Nathan Jones will probably tear our soft cock mids a new one. 3 votes.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:12 pm 
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There is a bigger Issue with our team that not many on TC has brought up, which is the Fact that this Season and also some parts of last Season, We have become a 12 goal a game Team. We are badly struggling to kick more than 12 goals a game, even when we Win, we are not kicking any score beyond that!!

The Issue is not the Forward line. With players like Waite, Henderson & Gartlett, we should be kicking a lot more goals....

The Real issue is the fact we are getting Smashed in the center bounces and in the middle by a Ratio of 80-20%. That is massive and it explains why we can't compete. Almost 80% of our Goals have to be constructed from the backline and often from a behind kick in. Having players like Cripps and Judd back will change that ratio. We need to change our structure in the middle. No more Murphy or soft players in there. We need to Win the footy and start kicking Fast Goals.


Another thing which complicates our deficiency to kick goals is MM's style of play in which he likes to play Wide and with short kicks until a Forward ends up marking it in the Pocket and with an Impossible task of kicking a Goal. We are not skilled enough to kick goals from tight angles. Going Wide will not help us. We need to go back to playing basic Footy. Kick it Long and play on at all costs. Do not mark, stop and chip chip. This killed us all of this year!!!


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:42 pm 
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There is a bigger Issue with our team that not many on TC has brought up, which is the Fact that this Season and also some parts of last Season, We have become a 12 goal a game Team. We are badly struggling to kick more than 12 goals a game, even when we Win, we are not kicking any score beyond that!!

The Issue is not the Forward line. With players like Waite, Henderson & Gartlett, we should be kicking a lot more goals....

The Real issue is the fact we are getting Smashed in the center bounces and in the middle by a Ratio of 80-20%. That is massive and it explains why we can't compete. Almost 80% of our Goals have to be constructed from the backline and often from a behind kick in. Having players like Cripps and Judd back will change that ratio. We need to change our structure in the middle. No more Murphy or soft players in there. We need to Win the footy and start kicking Fast Goals.


Another thing which complicates our deficiency to kick goals is MM's style of play in which he likes to play Wide and with short kicks until a Forward ends up marking it in the Pocket and with an Impossible task of kicking a Goal. We are not skilled enough to kick goals from tight angles. Going Wide will not help us. We need to go back to playing basic Footy. Kick it Long and play on at all costs. Do not mark, stop and chip chip. This killed us all of this year!!!


FFS DO NOT KICK IT LONG IF they have one or even two loose men behind the ball....do not kick to a contest if it is two on one...that's not a contest. Chip chip chip when this is occurring ...I have no problem with that ...sorry Dodo.

We were smashed last week kicking it to seriously outnumbered contests...then your stuffed as they have it in space...there are times you must chip it around...you MUST ALWAYS ATTEMPT to keep possession. You should NEVER kick to a contest when an uncontested possession is an option....and a a few other things which need to be drilled into the players. As soon as you see possession footy played against you...MAN UP

Coming out of the middle and kicking long to a one on one in the forward 50 I have no problem with....

If possession footy and man on man only gets scores of 80 points or less ...then so be it.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:50 pm 
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Clayman wrote:
99prelim wrote:
Ive seen enough of Warnock to know that he is SHIT...completely and utterly SHIT!!



I have seen Wood at Brisbane and then Collingwood and if you think Warnock is at that level you describe then keep going lower for Wood because Wood is worse than Warnock. :thumbsup:


I don't think Wood is the answer, but just at the moment I think that Robby could do with a rest.
It's going to be a long time before Kreuzer is back, and Robbie looks mentally and physically fatigued after only 3 games.
Rest him for 2 or 3 weeks, and in the meantime let's see what Wood can do.


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99prelim wrote:
Hornet wrote:
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Clayman wrote:
99prelim wrote:
Ive seen enough of Warnock to know that he is SHIT...completely and utterly SHIT!!



I have seen Wood at Brisbane and then Collingwood and if you think Warnock is at that level you describe then keep going lower for Wood because Wood is worse than Warnock. :thumbsup:



I know it's not saying much, but in the pre-season Wood looked better than anything Warnock has produced so far.

Agree...

Warnock is rubbish and most likely won't last the whole season


Unfortunately, others require more evidence of shitness before they're convinced


Nobody is claiming that Robbie is at an AA level, but honestly, it's been ages since we've had any better rucks.
Kreuzer is not the same ruckman he used to be.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:13 pm 
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billc3 wrote:
Dodo27 wrote:
There is a bigger Issue with our team that not many on TC has brought up, which is the Fact that this Season and also some parts of last Season, We have become a 12 goal a game Team. We are badly struggling to kick more than 12 goals a game, even when we Win, we are not kicking any score beyond that!!

The Issue is not the Forward line. With players like Waite, Henderson & Gartlett, we should be kicking a lot more goals....

The Real issue is the fact we are getting Smashed in the center bounces and in the middle by a Ratio of 80-20%. That is massive and it explains why we can't compete. Almost 80% of our Goals have to be constructed from the backline and often from a behind kick in. Having players like Cripps and Judd back will change that ratio. We need to change our structure in the middle. No more Murphy or soft players in there. We need to Win the footy and start kicking Fast Goals.


Another thing which complicates our deficiency to kick goals is MM's style of play in which he likes to play Wide and with short kicks until a Forward ends up marking it in the Pocket and with an Impossible task of kicking a Goal. We are not skilled enough to kick goals from tight angles. Going Wide will not help us. We need to go back to playing basic Footy. Kick it Long and play on at all costs. Do not mark, stop and chip chip. This killed us all of this year!!!


FFS DO NOT KICK IT LONG IF they have one or even two loose men behind the ball....do not kick to a contest if it is two on one...that's not a contest. Chip chip chip when this is occurring ...I have no problem with that ...sorry Dodo.

We were smashed last week kicking it to seriously outnumbered contests...then your stuffed as they have it in space...there are times you must chip it around...you MUST ALWAYS ATTEMPT to keep possession. You should NEVER kick to a contest when an uncontested possession is an option....and a a few other things which need to be drilled into the players. As soon as you see possession footy played against you...MAN UP

Coming out of the middle and kicking long to a one on one in the forward 50 I have no problem with....

If possession footy and man on man only gets scores of 80 points or less ...then so be it.


Bill, our team is not capable of possession footy. We do not have the skills to play that style...How many times did we Turn it over by just chipping it short? We can't even kick it 20m out in front....We have the worst Kicking team in the comp.

Opposition teams in the last 3 rounds all have played spare Men behind the ball and they killed us but the question is, where the heck was their opponents? and what were our Spare men doing? they were no where to be found. Its Dump Football. We need to Man up every spare defender and kick it long 50-50 and Create a contest!!

The other option which we have not been doing is play on at all costs and keep the game running. Possession football is suited for teams like hawthorn and Freo... not us


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