If Warnock goes we need an alternative ASAP.

Can't see kreuzer ever being healthy enough to be a number one ruck.

Surely carazzo wouldn't cost much as a veteran?

Paddy is a FA at end of 2015.

Anyway, why on earth would he come to us?

If Gibbs gets a good offer from Crows or whoever (600k+), and we finish bottom 4 (which is entirely possible), we would get a top 4 pick for Gibbs as it would activate a band 1 compo pick (based on salary, age & contract length). Hadn't considered this until tonight.

Sounds like we are preparing ourselves for Gibbs leaving...Tanking again, oh great!

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This is not about list management anymore.
Its about the club and the management of the club.
Players wont survive in a competition with a culture that is not honest and doesnt have standards of excellence.

This is about the direction of the football club.... its not about the team... players etc

There is a big picture...

its having a strong house

ours is weak and unruly
it lacks discipline and innovation
it lacks passion and care....

dont worry about the team and coach for now.. that bird has flown and is long gone.

we should have worried about that 6 or 7 years ago.... we didnt...
we thought it would just happen

we thought were carlton @#$%&! the rest...

we thought we had a sense of entitlement to flags

years of choosing wrong options..have brought us back to this point

did you enjoy our window???
did it feel good???


its all unimportant if youre a serious club...

worry about the clubs direction
dont worry about the list'
first things first,

club >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. list

for years we havent had a clue what were doing...
amateurs
liars
sycophants
collaborators
lazy bastards
unimaginative fools
dreamers
cheats

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there is something clearly wrong with the club and its direction!! Synbad and I have argued for all and sundry for aslong as this forum has existed, but something is drastically wrong, when I agree with what he is saying with no reservations!!

the club needs a massive overhaul. from top to bottom, from president to boot studder.

Dare I say, you only need to look at Port Adelaide, who are the becon for Carlton. They where utter tripe 18-24 months ago, on the verge of extinction, yet you look at them today and they are parallel opposites. IMO they will finish top 4, club is going great guns off the field!!

last night, was the first night, myself and my father considered membership next year. I play $800 a year, my father pays $800 a year and we pay it without even thinking normally, but nothing has changed, nothing will be changed while the current "carlton" is replaced, so im not convinvced I will be a member next year unless there are siginifcant changes this year.

something has to change and it has to change now.

The list needs a massive overhaul, and if the player isn't going to be there in 5 years they shouldn't be getting a game (with obvious exclusions like Judd/Scotland/Simpson who should be given the task of on field coaches to educate players constantly)

If a player does not have the ability of at least 75% disposal efficiency they should not be getting a game. Robinson/Walker/Kreuzer etc.. are in that list as they don't have great skills.

Rowe should not be played before Levi or any other potential forward
Mclean should not be played before Cripps, Bell or any other potential midfield
Trade Gibbs at season end, has not lived up to the hype and his attitude and the way he approaches the game is everything that is wrong with the club.

Is it unfair to put it in all on Gibbs? probably, but he is exactly what is wrong with carlton. Can play great football, can look awesome, can do great things .... his only consistency is his inconsistency, like the club. We need players that will give us everything every week, and they cant, get rid of them.

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Got to love the stare Down by Setanta on Llyod

The two teams who spent years tanking, Carlton and Melbourne, are both basket cases.

But, but, but...we must lose to get access to the best young talent in the country, we were told at the time.

And look where that got both clubs.

SPOT ON

The biggest myth in professional sports, (from NBA to AFL). Tanking for picks & talent.

It only creates a losing culture and a toxic environment which no player, coach, administrator worth their salt wants to be a part of.

Many were laughed at back in the day for suggesting such things, but how true its turned out to be...

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#GUILTY

actually nothing wrong with getting talent

its what u do with it

we dont have talent

were a crap club

i think most people always coupled bringing in talent with doing most things right.

as for picks........

its not like our second and third round picks we had .. (not with the early pick re fantastic

last night 2nd and third rounders were represented by mitch and rowe

noone else...

thats it

you see... its not one thing ...its EVERYTHING!!!.. its the club....

didnt kill hawthorn getting buddy and roughy
even if they also got ellis.. muston.. dowler and thorpe





their structures and practices were sound...

ours arent ,, never have been

youve got to see the big picture...

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..much will depend on how krooz's foot recovers, but he has carried number one ruck for us more than any other ruck since recruitment..
....knockers isn't capable of carrying the ruck long term, he has averaged less than half a season over his career, and has had just the single season where he played most of the year, and even the needed a midyear rest.... ..he doesn't stand up to the workload..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

The saints were crucified by the media for trading out McAvoy...... Yet it's landed them another Lenny Hayes for 10 more years.

We had the port unity to trade Kruezer last year but the board rejected the move...... We are stuck with another Josh Fraser for the next few years

More of this 'tanking came first, crapness second' nonsense.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

..more rubbish.. ..if krooz foot stays buggered, our fault for pushing our luck.... ..otherwise, heart and soul player that will kill himself for his team, which few enough do.. ..and is good for us, when we play him as first ruck.. ....and he sets the tone, sets the agenda.. ..upon the very first bounce, krooz leads the charge.... ..for a good chunk of the season last year he was romping it as first ruck, wont ever be hit outs hog but he gets good numbers in quality and more importantly he stays involved in general play and always plays finals type footy at 100% work rate.. ..and that's what is really important for us, a player with team work in his veins..

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

Re writing history, we didn't tank in any year apart from 2007, even then It was only the last 4-5 games, we sacked a coach that year, you don't do that if your trying to lose games.

Also we may not have been awesome but we have made finals. 4 out of the past 5 years, more than Richmond have in the last 30.

So is it only know the losing culture of late 2007 is taking effect now?

A lot of things are wrong but that isn't one of them. Collingwood and Hawthorn did it too but people like to rewrite history to suit their own arguments.

I take no solace in 'we're better than richmond'.

Besides all the other reasons, we're actually not.

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Congratulations CK95

Yep. I just want to be the BEST. Then we are better than everyone!

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

One thing I've noticed in our first 3 games in 2014 is our bodies. Other teams look harder, more ripped and well, fitter, much more fitter. Look at our guys, we look softer than our opposition, our muscles (legs, arm, shoulders) are less defined, and it's no surprise we play like it.

Have we stopped working hard in the gym? Are we not running like we're meant to? What are we doing in the offseason? Our lazy play is an indictment of our fitness and offseason work, imo...

Agree with u on this Synbad, the trouble with us is we get a talent, we expect him to fix the club immediately in stead of enhance the list. Poor Murphys, Juddz, Gibbs, Kruezerz weighted down by expectation at such young ages

The current mentality is to go out and throw cash (that we don't have) on someone like Hine because people are telling them our recruiting sux. There you go boys... all fixed.
It's one of the reasons we're in this mess.
Hindsight and all that but what if Hinkley was such an outstanding interviewee during our thorough and robust search for new coach, that he got the gig, half of Mick's salary to get his assistants and development people in place and a mandate to rebuild and bring kids through.
No short-term, ego-driven recruiting of players from your old club on overblown contracts and senior players told to commit or be prepared to move clubs.
We just don't have the balls for it.
Which is why Bryce will stay when we show him the money. Can't be seen to lose a bloke who wears no. 4.

I look at Port, North and the Doggies with envy. Who would have thought ...!

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