I hope you aren't suggesting that carlton cannot be successful when a even playing ground is in place by the AFL? Points 1 and 2 apply to all clubs (except of course for teams such as sydney which have been given almost 1 million dollars extra in the salary cap due to cost of living - a joke)

The loss of Princes Park as a home ground (point 3) was unfortunate and there is no doubt that the AFL used our weakness after the 2002/3 sanctions to purchase home game arrangement at Princes park which extended out to 2037. The AFL wanted another big club at Etihad. We negotiated a split between Etihad and the MCG with Collo at the helm. But the club isn't just the ground we play on.

Point 4 on the constitution is an interesting one. Not many know that in the late 1990s the Elliot board snuck through an amendment to the carlton constitution where the maximum number of board directors was increased to 20. This was to accommodate e north melbourne directors. There was a serious proposal for a merger between the kangaroos and the blues. Almost got up, with the blues owning almost 1/4 of the shares in the kangaroos.

If the blues were to move its home games away from princes park, then the MCG was the place to go.

The state of the club is the culmination of all the people involved and that includes we supporters.

What you have seen over the past decade or more is not due to anything external to the club.

We all [REDACTED] the club

It will take all of us to lift it up again.

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All problems would be solved if we played all our home games at Princes Park.

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No, but it would be nice to have our own home ground. Build the fortress there etc etc ...

You can be successful if you have the best ground - MCG of course. To deny the existence of home ground advantage is denying history. Real supporters understand Etihad is killing our Club
Point 1 and 2 - we are the worst at. To deny otherwise, you are denying history
Point 3 - you havent addressed the advantage that Sydney and Geelong have playing on home soil - to deny the existence of home ground advantage is denying history
Point 4 - 20 directors I recall was a historical fact before Elliott I recall.

I'm pretty sure our home game record at Docklands is about as good as our away game record at Docklands.

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With a 5 wins 14 losses record in our last 19 games at Princes Park, I'm sure the other sides in the AFL were positively quaking in their boots at the prospects of playing us.

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and here I was thinking the creation of the northern blues was going to make a difference eh

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Daisy wasn't the best player at Collingwood either, but he's the most popular with kids.
It's all about marketability.

But I agree, Hendo is bloody crucial to our team, and you'd hope that the admin know which side their bread is buttered when it comes to renew Hendo's contract.

Fortress princes park is a giggle

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I don't have a problem with Northern Blues playing at Princes Park, it is a terrific idea and I hope that they migrate all there home games there at some stage in the future.

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It is a fortress now - but for keeping supporters out.

High gates everywhere, cant see the ground surface - FORT KNOX alright!

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Dud tall players over the last 10 years or so. Ackland, McLaren, Cameron Cloke, Edwards, Bower, Saddington, Hartlett, Setanta, Mitchell, McCarthy and possibly Watson. Then we had to lose Kennedy, Sauce and Hampson. How can we be competetive with such crap recruiting?

Just the mention of Watson's name, now induces convulsions and tongue swallowing from me.

What advantage do the cats and the swans have when they play in Grad Finals?

You would think, that Collingwood has the best draw and home ground advantage in the league. It plays 16, sometimes 18 games at the MCG and yet its record in Grand Finals is poor with only 2 flags from about 15 attempts in 55 years.

Good teams, that led well on and off the field, win anywhere.

Look at our performances at ETIHAD - one the worst records in the league and its one of home grounds. We often lose to interstate teams there as well...

The fortress is not in he surface or surrounding stands, nor is it in the crowd. It lays within the team, the players that enter the arena.

Get that right and it really doesn't matter where we play

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yep ....quote the weakest period in our history...

16 Premierships there is irrelevant

Getting to the Grand Final might help first

Geelong 8 home games - 8 wins

Yes skilled stadium.

Did you pick the cats in the final against the dockers last year? That game was played at skilled stadium if I recall correctly.

By your reasoning, the interstate teams who have about 11 home games should make the finals every year. The pies who get 16+ home games at the MCG each year seem to have the biggest home advantage.

Have you also looked at the record of geelong away from skilled stadium? Pretty good isn't it.
And what teams does geelong play at skilled stadium? Teams that it would beat anyway.

The big advantage for the cats is the 500,000 plus they make per game at skilled stadium. Directly into their bank account even with crowds of 22,000. A similar crowd at Etihad would produce a gate loss.

Call me crazy if you want, but at least counter my points with some evidence and logic.

(Claiming that the cats make the finals because they get 8 home games at skilled against teams they would beat anyway sounds a little luny doesn't it? It's got nothing to do with the fact that the cats have been the best run club and have the strongest player leadership culture in the league. And the players are honest and @#$%&! good footballers - surely it can't be that, it must be that they get 8 games at skilled so that they can beat melbourne, the doggies and GWS. That must beit)

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As I recall I think we only won one of those 16 Grand Finals at Princes Park.


Look if you want to play 8 home games in front of 35,000, at Princes Park on a Saturday afternoon, with no television audience to speak of, then you have my full support.

It just seems like the right thing to do, I guess it's the vibe.

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Yes all good points.. these are the same reasons me and Surrey have been banging on for years for PP to be developed.
Geelong have all the necessary ingredients: President, board, admin ceo, coach, recruiter, development, list manager and home ground to win Premierships
if you acknowledge this for Geelongs success, then logic cannot deny Carlton's need for it....

You and surrey......

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