You were saying that at the start of last season were you MJ, (or is that Christi Malthouse). And if our list is so terrible that even a genius like miserable Mick can't help, why did we get him? He was expressly employed to win a flag while we still had Judd. I presume he won't have taken the job or the $s, if he didn't believe that was possible. Now apparently our list is woeful and M M is bravely holding us back from the abyss. If the coach has no responsibility for performance why have him?

must say that Port are actng impressively on and off the field. Love the way the are going about their football

As tiresome as its been all these years of having to look to other clubs, we can learn much from how Port and the Dogs have re-energised themselves. They'll have their bumps along the way but blind Freddie can see that they're on the right track, and their supporters cab see this.

A major problem the board has is this whole "at Carlton our supporters demand success" thing, that we're too dumb and impatient to wait on a proper, well thought out rebuild.

What we demand from club and team is 100% commitment, innovation, improvement, and delivery of KPIs in a clear plan towards success. I'd much prefer we build a complete team together and lose a few games, than watching us keep playing whack-a-mole everytime another hole appears or another saviour fails to deliver. All the while watching player after player lose interest and stagnate.

Deliver this Carlton,and these dumb, "empathetic" supporters may just surprise you.

When does reno start,i think soon aswe know no finals it can begin.But first i like to see MM change our game plan to tipperty footy like robbo said on sen. It works for port geelong ess but i dont think we are fit like those clubs.

I don't mind MM not playing the young players. He shouldn't just gift games to people because they are young. He does make the young players knock the door down hard to get a game. This might be why we witnessed a fantastic effort from Buckley. I like this approach because when a kid is given an opportunity, he will work his backside off and try and keep his spot in the team.

No body should be gifted games in the Navy Blue.

I am horrified ... surely we picked a winner with Dr Strangelove. He has all the old fashioned tactics that won him 1 premiership in the last 18 years. He has coached the team to a point where they specialise in the bomb. All we need now is a pack of marking talls that are randomly scattered across the forward line ... genius! I am confident we will improve within 10 years.

It can't have been a big fat mistake. Tell me it aint so

I don't think it'd matter if Ken Hinkley was coaching...this playing group can't be coached. Too lazy.

Do you think it's fair to say many of our players are "gifted" games at the moment? Not many would get games in good sides. You also need to see the benefits it would bring to the side in the future.

Is McLean really a better option than Graham given our current position?
Is White a better option than Watson?
Rowe better than Casboult?

Not easy questions to answer and to be honest I dont have high hopes for most of them!

..we haven't gone back in fitness, we just weren't fit enough to begin with.. ..or rather, not fit enough to play four quarters of a hard two way running team defence type style.. ..no matter which top four worthy game style we play, we are both not fit enough to carry it out all game week after week, but we also don't have the mental strength and courage to do all that unrewarded gut running that top teams do..

Our mental weakness and tackling has always been a much talked about issue but we have always run out games very well.
Over the last few years we have had some gutsy resurgents due to our fitness base.
There have been some recent examples to compare with against the first two opposition teams this year or all of a sudden have the Power and tigers been great finishing and running teams

..I've said it elsewhere, I think we looked fit cos we didn't run as hard as we were supposed to.. ..it's why we had gas left in the tank, not enough run and spread, not enough two way running nor that unrewarded running to open space, it's why after matches some players would never look spent, they just don't work hard enough, now that more is being asked they don't have the miles.. ..its why we love the shoot out run and gun style, only need to run ahead of the contest.. ..it's also why we haven't bee able to sustain it for more than a Cole of gams at a time.. ..our high fitness base was a lie.. .... ..and playing under done players alongside kids doesn't help team fitness either..

..I've said it elsewhere, I think we looked fit cos we didn't run as hard as we were supposed to.. ..it's why we had gas left in the tank, not enough run and spread, not enough two way running nor that unrewarded running to open space, it's why after matches some players would never look spent, they just don't work hard enough, now that more is being asked they don't have the miles.. ..its why we love the shoot out run and gun style, only need to run ahead of the contest.. ..it's also why we haven't bee able to sustain it for more than a Cole of gams at a time.. ..our high fitness base was a lie.. .... ..and playing under done players alongside kids doesn't help team fitness either..