Who was he pointing at? I'd like to know!

Wes Lofts

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Take a quick look at the Revenue stream break up for the carlton Football Club in 2012

Carlton Football Club Revenue Break up – 2012

Revenue Stream...................................$ million

Sponsorship and Hospitality......................12.5
AFL Income..............................................9.0
Membership & Reserved Seating.................8.9
Gaming...................................................9.5
Gate receipts............................................3.4
Merchandise.............................................1.9
Fundraising..............................................0.42
Interest Income........................................0.08
Other football Operational Income...............0.75

TOTAL REVENUE...................................~ 46.5 million


What saved the club financially in a very big way was the gaming revenue of 9.5 million. That matched the AFL income and the Memberships

Now where do you fit in the 900k from the Pratts?

Where is it listed in the above break up?

Did Bruce Matheson, the hotel and pokie king give a few hotels and pokie venues to carlton to run a few years back?

Something he was trying to do for some decades, but was shunned by the club for some reason - until Elliot was booted out

about 1/4 of the clubs revenue is comprised of sponsorship and hospitality.

All revenue streams are important - but when you portray the Oligarchs on the board as the suppliers of cash, you better back it up with some facts

facts that are available in the AGM financial report

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That's a bit misleading!

But Bruce did find us the Dan Murphy's sponsorship when no one wanted to touch us with a barge pole. The club even took out an ad in the Fin asking for sponsors. Desperate times called for desperate measures.

A decade

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Bruce himself has complained about trying to get the Blues to enter the hotel running business (esp with pokies) for some time now - a commercial area which he thrives in, having over 500 licensed venues around Australia.

He got things rolling when he ran on the carlton 1 board that overthrew the Elliiot regime.

Amazing what nice little tit bits you can pick up when you attend training sessions and stay back late for the directors to finish their meetings....

(you do know that B. Matheson and Elliot didn't get along?)

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the blues basically pay for the entire player salary cap with their gaming revenue stream

Pratts 900k pays for some of Judds wage

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When Bruce was a director - it had strings attached. He had a duty not to improperly use his position to gain an advantage for himself - so it wasn't as straight forward as it would seem.

In 2006 I co-wrote a Gaming Machine Licence Arrangements Post-2012 report for the Dept of Justice, so know a thing or two about pokies. I have spoken to Bruce Mathieson at length about pokies. His thoughts on gambling in the community are quite scary as are the people who put money into EGM's. It's a model we had to have, but it's not a nice one and it shouldn't be glorified.

Creytus, I have no issue with the 900k sponsorship in 2013
2007 to 2012 was around 3 mil per year regardless of what is in the book = 18million
I can't prove what was given between the late 60s and 2007 but add 10 to that
It is as if you are so resentful you can not even acknowledge what was given.
We had nothing in 2007, we were gone and that money whether in sponsorship, donation, wages picked us off the floor.
So what is your point, close to 30 million doesn't mean anything to you?
Be thankful for what was given, if you don't want them there form another ticket, vote them out but don't make out that these are the people that stuffed the place when its quite the opposite

i acnowledge it was given.
but i also know weve been hobbled so as were on the drip from these guys
when u put a man like sticks in charge youre basically anouncing that this club is not going anywhere...
so we rely on the oligarchs because this massive club wont stand on its feet
perfect way to have the club relying on the pratts as feeders.

theres thse people theyre called the feeders.. they feed their girlfriends wives crap..the girls become huge and huger.. and of course they cant break away from the feeding abuse.. because they lack confidence... they dont beieve anybody else will look after them...
theyre slaves to their feeder masters....

these feeders keep them fat because they themselves know they control them.. no other man will want them... they can do with them as they please
'the feeders'... they psychologically control .... the fat girls just dont have any faith in their own future.
the feeders dictate everything...

he likes her fat and dependent on him

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that's proper corporate governance and behavior

In fact when there is a conflict of interest the director(s) involved do not partake in the board meeting an decision making.

We all know that is the theory - in reality the corporate boards in Australia are a merry go round for alpha males and sociopathic personalities

In Bruce Matheson's case, he had over 500 hotels and venues on his books Australia wide, and wanted carlton the run a few of them and ordinary business managers, paying rent etc.

Nothing wrong with that - he can find other people to run them quite easily - or run them himself as he does'

Bruce is a Carlton man, and always his own man - doesn't suffer fools gladly.

He would work in the background, but doesn't Need the Blues to build either his ego or his empire

We cant say that about the current Oligarchs on the carlton board - who seem to using the Great Princes Park headquarters as a play thing

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very rigorous debate in here isn't it ladies and gentlemen

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30 million now???

You admit that cant prove any figure that you post, but you still post them and in fact increase their value with time

Did you notice that the revenue streams in the carlton financial records didn't include a DONATION or CHARITY category?

What do you mean by Pratt GIVING 30 million to carlton?

Do you know how much Hyundai has given?

have you added up what the members have given over the past decade along? I estimate it at about 75 million dollars just from the mum and dad family members

should the Members have a say in the running of the club?

Or just the Pratts and Mathesons with their 900k

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Even though Bruce is a Carlton man... i still see him as part of the Oligarchy.
At the end of the day hes nephew .. Donnys son is on the board.. and you would have to ask would Craig have ever been invited on if he wasn t Bruces nephew??
Doubt it.

The fact is there are stacks of fantastic Carlton people around Melbourne that we can pool from.
But there has been some board stacking that makes it difficult to get a sniff.
Harold Mitchell is one such man... but there are other independents. Elliot is an indie.. in my opinion and would lend alot more to the club board than say a couple of stuffed shirts like Gleeson / Lee and Clarke...
Seems like Newton is on the way out.... put out to the backbench along with Fahour...and probably out.

We have blokes like Trainor and some guy with an Italian name as spearheads with Craig keeping a low profile.
Pratts not speaking and drawing attention to themselves in case someone say ... "pay the debt out"
But maybe MJ can explain why we need two of them.... Germinder and Jeanie (SVP) Senior Vice President ..
Cretylus the only thing a guy like Bruce wants from the club is a bronze statue,... everyone wants a statue..
when you get to their financial situation... money isnt an issue .. its some kind of glory .. with people feeling they rely on u,,, sugar daddy syndrome...
Geoffrey Edelsten definately understands it..as do the Pratts and i reckon Mathiesons these days

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Creytus you live in denial. 30 million is the minimum the Pratts/Matheson have given.
I hope Hyundai give more and of course the members should run the club. My point is this whole topic resents these people which is unfoundered. Don't forget when the members had control and Smorgon was president, Collins was president, we needed them and now I assume you think you don't. So say thank you and goodbye but hold back the venom.

good point mr S...

No chance in a million that Don's son Craig would get a gig on the carlton board. No disrespect to Craig, but that is the reality and merry go round culture that exists not only on sporting boards but also on corporate boards in general right across Australia

Don the glass man, is another good carlton person - but should his son be on the board and why?

people say Pratt saved the club - really?

Collo saved the club from going into receivership.

In fact when Bruce Matheson saw the 23 million debt, at the end of 2002, he recommended that he club hand the keys to the AFL - ie go into receivership.

we are currently running a 6 million dollar debt or so.

So in about 11 years, the debt level reduced by about 1.5 million per year.

Doesn't sound like Rich benefactors were pumping in charity does it ladies and gentlemen

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Cretylus i dont mind Wes,,, interesting guy....
did it all as footballer... chairman of selctors .. director...

Carlton legend... just was there too long .

As for the pale reflection of himself.. we have Germinder Jeannie and Craig etc
Theyre no good.

If this was really about the club they would seek the best people possible for the club
Instead of alliances
and third rate appointees.

They would headhunt the best...
Doesnt have to be Cooke.. could be a great CEO thats not called Cooke.. Cooke always told them he wasnt interested in moving...
Sticks??? You have to be kidding...!!!
Ratten??? OMG ...!!! killed the club with his stupidity
Hughes??... killer appointee...
Infrustructure staff??.. kidding

Culture??? OMG

All these people were allowed to stay for way too long...

seems theyre doing this on purpose by paying these people????

And really whats the go with Jeanie AND germider .. sucking up oxygen on the board at the same time..

why isnt one of them enough???...

its EGO driven right???.....

EGO with no influence????

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if it wasnt about owning the cub and youre gunna give away millions and millions over a period

why wouldnt u find the best poeple hire them.. and pay out the 6 or so million...and walk away???

feed a man fish feed him for a day .. teach the man to fish feed him for a lifetime...

so again we get back to the feeders...

why hire bozos???... and stack the board in the meantime???

ill tell u why.. because the club will always have its head above water.. but will always be reliant on its feeder....

comfortable but not ideal for a powerhouse !!!

again why both of them on the board??

what will one do that the other cant do and one on the sidelines???

any idea???

well u get 2 votes...and every day u walk in you remind everybody on whos the boss..

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30 million over what period?

Hyundai,'s marketing expenditure in Australia was 50 million way back in 2004.

Do you know what it is now???

How much does Visy spend on advertising, marketing etc each year??

what proportion goes to the CFC???

do you research rather than defending Oligarchical families that have hijacked our club.

I have already shown you that their combined contribution on a yearly basis is modest at best, less than 4% of total revenue

Who did a better job as President Eddie McGuire or Richard Pratt? (you can even throw in the loud mouth loose canon Jeff Kennett into that - at least he got the hawks up and running again with a flag in 2008)

You can still sponsor the club without being on the board.
Why do thy need their family and friends on the board?

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