Dude, you can't win. He just changes the parameters.

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Woah there Synbad...woah...I wouldn't go that far...that's conspiracy talk.

I think the oligarch model is a dangerous one and whilst I don't agree with it - I have accepted it's the model we have. In some ways - it's the model we had to have. As previously mentioned - the secret will be how we plan beyond the like of the Pratts' and Mathiesons' but still keep them in the fold. I had a bit of a catch-up meeting at the club the other day and the conversation got around to the Gardiner Stand and possible refurbishment.

One idea that has legs is to use crowdfunding, but that's unlikely to bring in all the dollars required. At Carlton, we're a little different to other clubs and we always have been. There's a 'go to' list for some stuff and on that 'go to' list are probably a dozen or so people/families. But one name that would have been on the list a few years ago but wasn't on the current list is John Gandel. He's the 488th wealthiest man in the world and owns half of Chadstone. The club haven't asked the Gandels for any money since Dick Pratt invited them to Raheen for a private fundraiser in 2007. Now that Geoffrey Edelston's name is off the list, the Gandels can possibly go on it. If it comes from Jeannie - it might just work.

But this is what makes Carlton a bit different to the other clubs. We have (albeit probably less than we used to) a diverse supporter base that includes some of Australia's wealthiest families. The current system we have was borne out of necessity. It has a shelf-life and as we get closer to being debt-free it becomes less of a necessity for there to be a controlling oligarch model at the helm. Rather - these individuals and families must revert back to the 'go to' list.

Despite what Synbad would have some of you believe - Ryan Trainor or Mark LoGuidice will not be Presidential puppets in 2015 and beyond. They were not 'put there' by anyone. They have their own ideas and their own unique take on where the club is and what direction it needs to be heading in. I get the sense, from where I sit, that the board is working very well. Off-field we're getting a lot right. If the football department was kicking goals - the criticism of Carlton's benefactors would be barely a whisper.

Just listening to Mick on 3AW just now - sounds like Walker got a massive spray for selfish undisciplined actions last week.

There's been too much soft il-discipline for way too long.

We know that and what is ever done about it?

Ask Waite what was done about it last year against StKilda!

....and why isn't the footy department kicking goals?

And for how long?

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i told u two or three years ago why the players dont kick goals..
one thing is a reflection of the other,,, you didnt beieve me then .. and it sounds like youre still confused

why is it conspiracy talk????.... its not true two familes run this club???

Ryan Trainor and LoGuidice will be told when to wake up.. what to wear.. and how to part their hair.. and they will say "Yes Sir!..."
yes they will.... they will say that.. and they will say "What else Sir?"

and you know it...

the worst thing you can do is get too close.... because when youre too close.. you become another propaganda mouthpiece for your new club mates..

Wanna love the club??.. stay at arms length and dont defend mediocrity and make excuses Doc

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Lsten here club cypher .. the club through these two families has made every appointee board director over the last 3 years...
Thats a board stacking...

Dont weasle around

If theyre making the appointments themselves and bankrolling the club.. and both have family members on the board... theyre running the club

the rest is banana talk pure and simple.

and lord lucipher.. that stick... it would be coming out of your mouth like a snake coming out of itss hole...

your eyes would look the same...
hair probably like that too...


its u...!!!.. except youre no longer holding that stick... i got my hands on it dispossed you etc

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Dude!!!, tell me what the perimeters are.... dude!

Oligarchs are Oligarchs.
Means a small group of people control the club as their own.

Wanna show me how im wrong, dude????

Come on.. have a little think...

Michael Jezz sure as hell isnt... hes pointing to appointees and allies on the board as a reason why were not an Oligarchy.

You ask people around the club who wouldnt mind having a go how hard it is to get on the board if theyre coming from outside the Olgarchy sphere of influence.
So go on dude!!!

Set your own flower perimeters on the Oligarchical question and answer!!!

Youre just not a thinker.. thats why in your miserable thought process you believe the permieters are changing when stuff gets illustrated ,

Dude. nobody in their right mind believes the club is not currently in the hands of two families.. and their useful idiots.

Even Jezz doesnt.. though he has a vested interest (it seems) to argue otherwise here.. as does Doc Sherrin.

You dont need to be the face to rule.. you just need to rule those that are the face...

Do you study politics, history, philosophy?? i bet no...

most people dont.. so they have no clue what is going on.

Dude! get back to it..... the movie... the one youre watching.... "Dude , wheres my car!" That one!!!

Its you all over.... not much of a thinker....


Again.... im expanding why you have no clue.
You didnt touch upon why i change perimeters.
Im an expansionist... i bring everybody into your lounge room to check you out.....were now all walking right in a nd checking it out... its a reflection on who you are....

Youve been challenged 'buddy'...!!

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Ok the questiojn remains.
Do we keep the club going for the next rebuild the same as this?
Whats the circuit breaker...???
Are the people who have brought the club here... the right people to take us forward???

Yes we know at some point Swann is cooked.
Sticks has run out of board time according to the constitution...
But the faces are still the same up there.....
The bland... the Oligarchs...the yes men... the supporting cast.... etc

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A good friend of mine has a very large family, all of which have been Carlton obsessed since the day I met them 10+ years ago. Whether it be cousins, aunties, uncles, grandparents, second cousins, extended family..you name it.. And it's all Carlton. As the new generation of kids starts to come through, I'd say there would be between 15-20, all various ages up until 14.

Four years ago, the kids all had memberships. There was no greater joy for these kids when their membership packs arrived, it was like a second Christmas. Four years on, not one of these kids is the slightest bit interested in AFL, least of all the Carlton football club. They have taken up new sports, new hobbies etc. The Carlton obsessed family have tried all they possibly could to re-connect these kids to the football club. Last night the father of three of the kids turned to me and said "You know what mate, it's not my job to re-connect these kids to Carlton, it's Carltons job and at the moment, these kids deserve better." Unbelievable.. Never seen a father look so defeated.

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...there are more important things in life than sport, the carlton football club and the AFL

We are a shallow, and often ill society in Australia.....

Priorities are trivial and superficial....

That's how the Corpocracy wants it

A frightened, obedient citizenry that consumes and doesn't rock the boat

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Sometimes it's more than just a sport.

It's a shared passion that can bring families together once a week.

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Lets all wait..there will be a blood spill soon if the performances on field continue...

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I understand that...

But families should be fairly close and cohesive anyway....should even need religion to do that in a functioning compassionate society

But as we know, we live is an individualist, materialistic and corporately run world that is based upon greed and short term thrills and plastic philosophies.......

It's an interesting dichotomy the football club culture. When the team comes out to play what are the basic given ideals of how to play?

Sacrifice, effort, team work, helping your team mates. Selfishness and individual greed are frowned upon. Sound familiar? Marxism, socialism etc? I've heard Parkin and other coaches talk about the socialistic ethic of team first when players are representing their club out on the field.

I was one of the members who received one of those free memberships last year around June so that we can artificially reach the 50,000 membership mark. The club had run me at about round 5 and asked me why I hadn't renewed my membership (being a member for several decades).

I told the club that if a new senior coach cannot be present at the start of the pre season (Nov 1st 2012), because they needed to go on a book launching tour, the why should I join the club???

As much as carlton is in my blood, there are far more important things in life.

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Unfortunately years of being "rusted on" has been steadily eroded by a constant source of "WD-40" over the past 15 years.

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Ok synbad you made a statement the board has been stacked?
So produce the evidence?

MJ... you mean... letters.. receipts.. bugged phone calls.. snap shots of secret meetings ...surrounding board stacking??

that kind of stuff???

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