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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:01 pm 
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The Yes Man wrote:
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Everitt was a swap of second rounders and we may (just may) have taken Giles with that higher pick anyway, however, you are right. We recruit and draft players in dribs and drabs and target our most glaring deficiencies rather than target players. It's recruiting based on the negative rather than the positive. We neglect far more than we make up.


Plus, what is unseen is often seen and what we neglect to draft for in terms of practical means is dwarfed by what we do not draft for in practical means which means in essence that we do not draft with an eye to what the future is, in reality we draft with an eye to what the past is and even when we draft with an eye to the future it is a buck rodgers type future which may look like the future but in actual fact is just some actors in skin tight jumpsuits. Pafloyal has been warning us for years that recruiting based on perceived needs rather than quantifiable and measurable wants that are also based on list structure, grumpiness about how the local council are not mowing the local park properly and the lack of sufficient philosophical rigour in choosing and gaining draft picks.

These things are important, and will continue to be seen as important by all the people that know they are important.

Luckily we know who those people are.


The irony is that between the mockery you pretty much nailed it. And yet you are still a self-confessed 'yes man'.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:01 pm 
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No way Simpson will be in trouble.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:04 pm 
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Someone said earlier just bring in and play our kids.

Exactly who are they again.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:06 pm 
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MIL wrote:
Tonight proved a few things....but here's the obvious ones:

Robbo and Ellard should never play for this club again. Both try very hard but are C graders.

Kane Lucas....all speed and nothing else. Can't tackle, can't kick, terrible decision maker.

Warnock is a true 1990s ruckman....gets the tap but that's all folks. See you later, come on down Camo.

Gibbs, last Q aside is a pansy flower. Worth $400k tops. Adelaide can have him for $700k no dramas, and let's hope we get decent compo.

Daisy is class and when gets fit will be our best player easily.

Menzel and Buckley showed plenty. Bucks has arrived....welcome aboard SOJ. Menzel all class, just hope the LARS holds up for a while longer.

Rowe battled hard, but lost too many 1 on 1contests at crucial moments. Not our worst but not the future either.

Bottom 4 to 6 for sure this year.

Yarran showed what he can do if he pulls his finger out. Needs to play wing for the rest of the year.

Tiges are kidding themselves if they think they're any good :grin:


Yep agree with most of this.
But maybe a touch harsh on Warnock


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:08 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
Someone said earlier just bring in and play our kids.

Exactly who are they again.


Cripps, Holman, Temay, Giles if close enough ?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:10 pm 
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menzel Watson lucas graham buckley bell as well


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:11 pm 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
Another positive - conclusive proof We got rid of the right ruckmen


This.
I like Shawn but is clearly second string.

Also Grigg - good riddance


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:11 pm 
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MIL wrote:
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Someone said earlier just bring in and play our kids.

Exactly who are they again.


Cripps, Holman, Temay, Giles if close enough ?


One paced, can only tackle, 2 years and still no game, hope he is better than McCarthy, Mitchell or Watson.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:16 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
MIL wrote:
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Someone said earlier just bring in and play our kids.

Exactly who are they again.


Cripps, Holman, Temay, Giles if close enough ?


One paced, can only tackle, 2 years and still no game, hope he is better than McCarthy, Mitchell or Watson.


Giles will be a gun. Our new swing man.....like a young Waite but not flakey and a better kick :thumbsup:

Temay has limitations but sometimes they do better in the 1s than the 2s. Gotta at least try him.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:18 pm 
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From the HUN

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The Blues committed 82 turnovers last night, but it’s the breakdown of those turnovers that will make Blues supporters sick.

Carlton gave the ball directly to a Richmond player a staggering 36 times. Yes, 36. It is the most direct giveaways coughed up by a side this year.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:19 pm 
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THIS YEAR !!

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:19 pm 
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Some here were in my opinion far too harsh on Warnock 14 disposals and 4 tackles was the best ruckman on the ground - he did have too VERY bad brain fades (kick for goal and that kick that went straight to vickery in the backline) but he beat hammer hands down.

Buckley was good, went in hard attacked the ball and ran and carried he should play every week.

Without Yarran would not have even got close he has skill finesse and pace and found a target in the forward line innumerate times - shame the ones on the end of the pass couldn't kick straight

Jamo has not played a bad game against jack riewoldt ever apart from that miss for goal he kept riewoldt quiet and the one goal riewoldt did kick was when Gibbs was actually his direct opponent

Rowe: some on here were saying he wasn't too bad but from being at the game numerous times he did not have enough/any body contact on his opponent which allowed them a free fling at the mark. Would rather play Watson. Maybe be just as slow but is taller and about 2837747 years younger.

If we had two hendos...oh the possibilities

Also Lucas seems to be the new Jordan Russell on this site. He did have one bad kick when he kept running down the afl members side of the wing and kicked it long into the forward line into no one but he set up one of the (only three) goals in the last quarter with a strong punch in a contest in the middle and does look quick. We know he isn't an in and under lose your head at all costs player but he could be good hasn't had enough consistency in the past to find out.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:20 pm 
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MIL wrote:
AGRO wrote:
MIL wrote:
AGRO wrote:
Someone said earlier just bring in and play our kids.

Exactly who are they again.


Cripps, Holman, Temay, Giles if close enough ?


One paced, can only tackle, 2 years and still no game, hope he is better than McCarthy, Mitchell or Watson.


Giles will be a gun. Our new swing man.....like a young Waite but not flakey and a better kick :thumbsup:

Temay has limitations but sometimes they do better in the 1s than the 2s. Gotta at least try him.


Im reserving any calls on Giles to be better than Waite until he at least plays senior games.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:21 pm 
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The Yes Man wrote:
I am really excited by this squad.

Tonight was a watershed moment.

We should have won the game by three goals with opportunities, but the result meant nothing because the proof of the pudding was the ingrediants.


Buckley is now in the side to stay. He will move from the backline to forward over the course of his career. He has got it. Will be at the very least a good Carlton player, potential to be great.

Warnock played an outstanding game despite the two obvious stuff ups. What is twelve point here or there when in reality if everything went well we should have been 42 points better off.

Menzel is a gun. What is it, 5 multiple goal efforts in 9 games? Some of those off the bench. Absolute gun and will keep improving.

Thomas will keep getting better every week.

Everitt already proving a solid pick up. Will never star, but is a footsoldier. In an area where we need it.

Curnow just keeps on improving, where is this guys ceiling?

On the negatives, pretty obvious that Robinson and Touhy are living on borrowed time. Touhy is great on the run but has shown many times that he cannot take the proper defensive position in a one on one contest. Hopefully Docherty can take over Touhy's spot and help us in that area.

The Robinson one is easy, actually it could easily be either Robbo or McLean.

Cripps cover both of these blokes in almost every aspect of the game already.

Fitness is his only issue. So what? There is the sub rule. Play Cripps flat out for three quarters every game and let the sub on. Too easy.

Cripps is beyond elite. I know this is a big call but in my opinion Cripps is the first absolute superstar player we have recruited from the draft since Koutoufides.

This boy is special with a capital S. It is sad that it has taken this long. I am talking superstar, do not get me wrong this boy is going to make it big time. The sooner he is in the senior team the better.

He is exactly the type of player we need, which is a stupid comment really because every team need superstars.


Agree with all of this.

And yes, play cripps ffs.
Let Lucas come off the bench again and see if he can prove himself


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:23 pm 
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Just back from the game, I booked a seat in the AFL members, not sure why, very disappointing crowd, and a very disappointing Carlton. Don't anybody suggest the fightback was good. Why are we fighting back? We have a coach on a fortune, is it too much to ask that he has the team ready to go before half time. The TIges are a very average unit and 5 years behind us in development. I reckon 7 of their best 9 players are younger than Big K. They have massive holes in the side but they will get better we will get worse.

Loved Buckley's game and if he is half as tough as his dad he'll be tougher than most of his team mates. Yarran has as much skill as almost any player in the AFL but is destined to be a cameo man. Waite shows potential and has done for ten years, problem is he is over 30 not under 20. I have been a critic of Warnock, mainly because we invested way to heavily in too many one position rucks, but he was good tonight, and had the better of Hammo who battled hard. But he does little outside of taps and never takes a mark. Big K looks destined to be a back up battling ruck, not what you want to use a #1 pick on.

Thomas looks miles away from match fitness.

McLean's done well to stay on the list but we gave up too much for him and we can't have Ellard, McLean Curnow and Bell in the same side. Bell was good but his kicking was ordinary. We'll claim bad kicking cost us the game but its not like we kicked 10:20. We kicked badly when we had got ourselves in a bad position and if the Tiges hadn't gifted us 4 goals in the first half they would have been 10 up at half time. Worse game I have seen Gibbs play, maybe he wasn't right or maybe he has got too used to getting easy kicks across half back. Maybe the committee can explain to us again how they decided to spend so much getting a premiership coach to guide us to the inevitable flag while Juddy is still there.

We have lost to two mid ladder sides. How will we go against decent sides?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:25 pm 
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Gutted. Lucky to still be in it at half time and probably should have won if we kicked straight. Weird game between two ordinary teams.

Hate losing. Too emotionally invested and care too much. Really gets me down in the dumps to the point I'm not a very nice person to be around after a loss. Wish I could turn the passion off. Going to have to find a solution because this year is going to be tough.

0-3 start coming up. Two years in a row. Season and 150th year effectively over.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:25 pm 
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Cannot play Mclean, Bell and Robinson in the same team.

Worst short kicking team in the competition.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:29 pm 
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yes man wrote:
I am really excited by this squad.


You're being sarcastic again aren't you yes man.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:30 pm 
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We are officially the Worst kicking Team in the AFL.... We should have Run Over them and won by 4-5 Goals..... How could you miss easy shots on goal from 30m out again and again??


Warnock- Shocking Clanger towards the end that gave me the winning Goal.....Plus an easy shot on goal.... did not even register a score..... Speechless!!!

Waite/Gartlett: Terrible kicking on Goal

White: Another version of McInnes.... Not good enough for AFL......

Gibbs: Gone missing.... only 12 Disposals? not good enough, even Warnock had more!!

McLean/Ellard/Curnow: Not enough Input to make an impact!!


The Carlton of 2014 has gone backwards so far from last year... I am Guessing it's due to the so many players who are underdone and need some time to get going!!!

Are we going to be a 12 Goal Game Team? that will not win us many games!!!!


Quick Fix: There is one. Friggin Leave Henderson up forward regardless of what happens in the backline. He is the only player on our list that can kick straight..... Persist with Watson/Rowe and co and see what happens


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:31 pm 
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sstormin123 wrote:
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Warnock would have had more contested handballs from the bottom of the pack than any other Carlton player tonight.

The need for an extractor is URGENT.

GET CRIPPS.



The over reliance on Judd for the last few years sticks out so much when he isn't playing. Look at the first half, when we were annihilated I'm the middle!

Robinson, Ellard, Bell and McLean are the ones we're relying on :lol:

Curnow ain't much chop but at least can tag

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