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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:00 am 
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http://www.afl.com.au/video/2014-03-25/ ... orkstation

Watch this.

Cotchin said Jeffys open goal was 'comforting'. What?


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:07 am 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
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oh well sorry mr pedantic, 2 years then, whatever the hell it is, what has he done pre and post knee injury to warrant commentators telling us how good he is or how good he will be? i will go look at your stats u mention , i agree with u that on the occasions he is fit an playing well his taps t advantage are very good but not often enough.

criteria for decent solid footy? as a ruckman come forward, a solid season would be 25-35 goals and average 6 marks a game and have a presence around the ground, stamp some authority week in , week out . he gets to contests and doesnt grab onto marks , poor body positioning, lack of confidence, i dont know but he should be better


..it's not being pedantic to pull you up on your exaggeration.. ..what has he done pre and post knee?, have you been watching us..??.. ..pre knee he was one of the best talls (kpp, ruck) in what he showed for those first two years, why don't you go back over club history and show me the last tall player we had finish fifth (club b & f) in their second season.. ..post knee he has had four best on grounds (almost double hendo for relative idea), has played through injury cos the team needed him when other players would not have been capable (torn meninscus, broken foot)..

..regularly posts tap to adv % that are some of the best, was elite for a ruck in assists last season.. ..in regards to his ruck peers, his marking is good, especially contested and inside fifty marking.. ..what you want him to do, average six marks a game, no ruck did last year, not even cox.. ..the goals you want him to kick?, again very rare and only rucks to kick over twenty goals were rucks in very strong teams that had a strong fully functioning forward setup that didn't need their ruck to play kpf, nor rush them back after a broken thumb and then wonder why his marking might be affected..

..the idea he doesn't have a presence is laughable.. ..I think your issue is your can't differentiate between him as first ruck, and him as a fwdruck which he is not.. ..you and others often expect him to do things that other rucks don't, and quite often ppl then get disappointed when no ruck is doing what you ask of him.. ..I flat out promise you, switch any other ruck into our team and they won't do better..


ok then, i have been on about him being shit for 2 years then and i stand by that, mcevoy averaged 4.7 marks per game last year but point is when he gets to the ball he holds em . even bellchambers takes a better grab.

how the hell can u say his marking is good? he doesnt bloody mark the ball enough for anyone to know

i idea you think he has a strong presence is more laughable.

can u explain his poor kicking skills around the ground?


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:08 am 
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well yeh now i am more pissed off given that scenario. well to make it feel better, kennedy is a perth boy and wanted to go home and krooooozer was dominating the under 18's and besides we wouldnt have got armfield


No he isn't.

No he didn't.


ok thought we got kennedy as a local fremantle lad


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 10:55 am 
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Springsteen wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
Springsteen wrote:
oh well sorry mr pedantic, 2 years then, whatever the hell it is, what has he done pre and post knee injury to warrant commentators telling us how good he is or how good he will be? i will go look at your stats u mention , i agree with u that on the occasions he is fit an playing well his taps t advantage are very good but not often enough.

criteria for decent solid footy? as a ruckman come forward, a solid season would be 25-35 goals and average 6 marks a game and have a presence around the ground, stamp some authority week in , week out . he gets to contests and doesnt grab onto marks , poor body positioning, lack of confidence, i dont know but he should be better


..it's not being pedantic to pull you up on your exaggeration.. ..what has he done pre and post knee?, have you been watching us..??.. ..pre knee he was one of the best talls (kpp, ruck) in what he showed for those first two years, why don't you go back over club history and show me the last tall player we had finish fifth (club b & f) in their second season.. ..post knee he has had four best on grounds (almost double hendo for relative idea), has played through injury cos the team needed him when other players would not have been capable (torn meninscus, broken foot)..

..regularly posts tap to adv % that are some of the best, was elite for a ruck in assists last season.. ..in regards to his ruck peers, his marking is good, especially contested and inside fifty marking.. ..what you want him to do, average six marks a game, no ruck did last year, not even cox.. ..the goals you want him to kick?, again very rare and only rucks to kick over twenty goals were rucks in very strong teams that had a strong fully functioning forward setup that didn't need their ruck to play kpf, nor rush them back after a broken thumb and then wonder why his marking might be affected..

..the idea he doesn't have a presence is laughable.. ..I think your issue is your can't differentiate between him as first ruck, and him as a fwdruck which he is not.. ..you and others often expect him to do things that other rucks don't, and quite often ppl then get disappointed when no ruck is doing what you ask of him.. ..I flat out promise you, switch any other ruck into our team and they won't do better..


ok then, i have been on about him being shit for 2 years then and i stand by that, mcevoy averaged 4.7 marks per game last year but point is when he gets to the ball he holds em . even bellchambers takes a better grab.

how the hell can u say his marking is good? he doesnt bloody mark the ball enough for anyone to know

i idea you think he has a strong presence is more laughable.

can u explain his poor kicking skills around the ground?



..mcevoy plays loose in back half inflating mark stats, but he doesn't average any better for contested and is bottom tier for fwd fifty marking cos he doesn't push fwd to be a threat and shows a third of what krooz does when resting fwd.. ..and that was with a gun chf to play alongside.. ..I think his marking for a ruck is good, rucks do not mark as strong as kpps on average.. ..but his contested mark averages for rucks is top tier.. ..he is a machine out on the field, you'd be in a minority to dispute this.. ..poor kicking skills I think due to under done, he is generally a decent kick with excellent handball clearance work.. ..he is also better as first ruck than kpf second ruck..

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:24 am 
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krooze is best in the clinches, i like the work he does in an under with his blocking and creating space . i still maintain for a big man he doesnt do enough .

i will be the 1st to admit i am wrong when and if he starts really taking games apart which is what he shoulld be doing


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 11:37 am 
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We will have to play out of form to win this.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 12:16 pm 
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Yep, we'll have to play well and it will take a committed team effort.
We stopped their 2013 finals march so the tigers will be ready to draw blood.
We'll need inspiration and leadership from Murphy , Gibbs and the big Kruz with magic from Yarren, Garlett, Menzel. Basically a strong team from a proud club stepped in history.
Can the guys do it? Not overly confident this time around, but I'll back the mighty Baggers to the last gasp.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 12:20 pm 
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Springsteen wrote:
The Rhino wrote:
Springsteen wrote:
well yeh now i am more pissed off given that scenario. well to make it feel better, kennedy is a perth boy and wanted to go home and krooooozer was dominating the under 18's and besides we wouldnt have got armfield


No he isn't.

No he didn't.


ok thought we got kennedy as a local fremantle lad

I think he did play with Fremantle but he is from Geraldton, same town as young Cripps.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 12:46 pm 
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Will be hate-watching this with interest. If we lose I'll be pissed off. If we win I'll be even more pissed off about the insipid round one display and heauxmeaux's who only decide to turn it on when it suits them and the occasion is big enough. I wonder how many will have got new haircuts this week.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:06 pm 
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Kruzer is a ruckman ,not chf ,not chb, change his game role lets free him up eg : taking marks on the wing, use him through corridor,lets do a collingwood dont worry about your opp just go out and play


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:28 pm 
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Got tickets in M7. Anyone else sitting around this area. Not happy, last year these seats only cost an extra $14 to upgrade, now they are $24. What a rip off.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:45 pm 
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Very worried about this game ,no Judd,Carazzo or Walker ,Tigers will be close to full strength.They owe us big time lets hope the sight of a Navy Blue jumper will make them
sxxt their pants again ,heres hoping
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:54 pm 
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Was Kreuzer really fit for round 1?

The data indicates he is terrible first up.

We were told there were lots of surgeries in the off season; quite a few who had operations after Christmas.

Given the number of underdone players, could the coaching staff tell the membership why only 84 interchanges were made in round 1 given clubs are able to make up to 120 interchanges a match.

Wonder if we will drop a tall/third tall given the expected wet conditions.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:01 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Was Kreuzer really fit for round 1?

The data indicates he is terrible first up.


Kruezer and Warnock both need lots of time under them to be at their best.

Personally I believe we are damaging them making them do short stints on the ball. We could do worse than give Kruezer 2-3 full games at VFL level playing 80% ruck. IMO he would benefit immensely from it.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:50 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Was Kreuzer really fit for round 1?

The data indicates he is terrible first up.

We were told there were lots of surgeries in the off season; quite a few who had operations after Christmas.

Given the number of underdone players, could the coaching staff tell the membership why only 84 interchanges were made in round 1 given clubs are able to make up to 120 interchanges a match.

Wonder if we will drop a tall/third tall given the expected wet conditions.



..he wasn't fit, consider the preseason he did.. ..the last two seasons he has been strong in round one, usually he has had time to get match fit prior to round one but he was definitely under done you could tell just by watching him.. ..as I've said, the mc plays him almost at any cost, which makes you question why.. ..and no, it is not due to where he was picked, think broader..

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 3:44 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Was Kreuzer really fit for round 1?

The data indicates he is terrible first up.

We were told there were lots of surgeries in the off season; quite a few who had operations after Christmas.



They couldn't do the operations before christmas. All those going in for ops had book tours planned.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 4:32 pm 
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This game will tell us plenty about how we will go this year IMHO. One way or another.

Desperately want to win however have no confidence in our ability to bounce back and play a full game of good footy.

Here's hoping.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:16 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
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Was Kreuzer really fit for round 1?

The data indicates he is terrible first up.


Kruezer and Warnock both need lots of time under them to be at their best.


Kreuzer's first game back from knee reco was the best game of his career IMO, but I get what you're saying.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:19 pm 
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We should be all over their Ruck division, but reckon Hampson is a monte of the Brad Moran this week...

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:08 pm 
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If Hampson kicks 2 goals that's Moran territory.

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