Nice one Doc. I'd have gone for Duigan instead though......

I also get the sense with Kreuzer that the match committee (and some posters) are scared to entertain the idea of dropping Kreuzer, based on the idea that Kreuzer went pick one and it's "not a good look" for a number one pick to be dropped. I get the impression that there would be more questioning of Krezuer's spot in the side had he not gone at pick one.

I can't see Kreuzer working out as a defender and he has shown that he is not proficient as a forward. Neither he nor Warnock appear capable of being anything else other than pure number one ruckmen, with Warnock the better of the two. On the other hand, Kreuzer offers more (though probably not enough) around the ground than Warnock. It's a problem.

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i have said it for 3 years , kruezer has been so overated the last few years it just not funny. 100+ games, maybe 10 of which he did anything substantial. he is slow and not much more agile than warnock, cant take a contested mark and cant kick. woh woh woh what is he good for? absolutely nothing

Well he is still on the list...how long is he on loan for?

To think we could have given West Coast pick 1 for Juddy and said that's it. Kept Kennedy and 3. They did not have a choice really.

We rated Kruezer more than Kennedy essentially.

Bloody looney tunes decision. Kruezer overrated. HELL YEH.....

Gets no heat, why ? cause he is such a lovely kid. awwwwwww

um, no

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

well yeh now i am more pissed off given that scenario. well to make it feel better, kennedy is a perth boy and wanted to go home and krooooozer was dominating the under 18's and besides we wouldnt have got armfield

Kennedy did not want to go.. But yeh it will make us feel better to think this.

This place is sinking faster than the titanic the way this is heading

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i always have faith in the blues, i go every week to melb games and like others here been doing so since the days of jezza and will continue to do so but the love for kruezer shits me and until he plays 12-18 months of decent solid football i wont be changing my mind.

Well that's it then


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..talk it up, for three year??, my arse you have.. ..three years ago he was still in rehab after the knee reco, (can you count?).. I've got no drama with a difference of opinion but don't talk rubbish.. ..or maybe you were saying he was over rated back then, which if true is a total crock..

..106 games for a ruck of his age is ahead of schedule, the fact it includes a year off with a blown knee is outstanding.. ..personally I think he has played a fair few of those games when he shouldn't have, but why is that..?.. ..it's cos he is important, and obviously has been highly rated by two coaching groups and MCs..

..I've put up numerous stat breakdowns to back my opinions, plenty of his detractors don't, even though their opinions are continually at odds with the club.. ..keep an eye in the ruck contests thread and especially take note of his tap to adv numbers..

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..until he plays decent solid footy?, the two years pre knee already make your criteria, and he has post knee as well.. ..you should have at least said AA team, mvp or some such.... ..you say you have faith in the club, guess who they have faith in.. ..at least back up your argument with something more than "ugh"..

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oh well sorry mr pedantic, 2 years then, whatever the hell it is, what has he done pre and post knee injury to warrant commentators telling us how good he is or how good he will be? i will go look at your stats u mention , i agree with u that on the occasions he is fit an playing well his taps t advantage are very good but not often enough.

criteria for decent solid footy? as a ruckman come forward, a solid season would be 25-35 goals and average 6 marks a game and have a presence around the ground, stamp some authority week in , week out . he gets to contests and doesnt grab onto marks , poor body positioning, lack of confidence, i dont know but he should be better

His ruck mate Warnock is light years away from those stats. Decent solid footy is not something you associate with a number of our senior players. Stamping any form of authority week in week out? Now that would be good.

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I'll call it and say Kreuzer will be one of those really late success stories, just wait and see. Right now he is not, but all thing considered, I can see a bright future for Kreuzer if he can keep himself on the park and away from injury. Personally I would like to see Kreuzer concentrate on chest marking. The best way to learn ball judgement is to go back to basics. Too many times he places himself too far under the drop, he should be practicing chest marks both in game and training until he gets it 110%. Just my opinion of coarse ...

..it's not being pedantic to pull you up on your exaggeration.. ..what has he done pre and post knee?, have you been watching us..??.. ..pre knee he was one of the best talls (kpp, ruck) in what he showed for those first two years, why don't you go back over club history and show me the last tall player we had finish fifth (club b & f) in their second season.. ..post knee he has had four best on grounds (almost double hendo for relative idea), has played through injury cos the team needed him when other players would not have been capable (torn meninscus, broken foot)..

..regularly posts tap to adv % that are some of the best, was elite for a ruck in assists last season.. ..in regards to his ruck peers, his marking is good, especially contested and inside fifty marking.. ..what you want him to do, average six marks a game, no ruck did last year, not even cox.. ..the goals you want him to kick?, again very rare and only rucks to kick over twenty goals were rucks in very strong teams that had a strong fully functioning forward setup that didn't need their ruck to play kpf, nor rush them back after a broken thumb and then wonder why his marking might be affected..

..the idea he doesn't have a presence is laughable.. ..I think your issue is your can't differentiate between him as first ruck, and him as a fwdruck which he is not.. ..you and others often expect him to do things that other rucks don't, and quite often ppl then get disappointed when no ruck is doing what you ask of him.. ..I flat out promise you, switch any other ruck into our team and they won't do better..

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No he isn't.

No he didn't.

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90+% of rucks (that make it) are late successs stories. Rucks dont start hitting their peak until 27+ - which is why picking kreuzer over cotchin was such a horrible decision. Give me 8-10 yrs of a top notch mid over 4-6 of a ruck anyday of the week.

The articles to motivate Richmond have alrady started.
Here we go again
We re doomed.

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