Well, if you cant see that drafting people like Menzel and Cripps is better than Lucas and Russell or that MM and Laidley are good coaches....

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Geeez everybody that walks through the doors at Carlton looks ok early on...
How can i see anything when nothing can be proved?
Id have taken Menzel too.. but then again we also picked Murph Gibbs and Kreuzer.... all number 1 picks.
Cripps id never have used a first rounder on him .... nfw... id have catagorised him in a similar fashion as watson.. though not as deep up it...
For years you have called me on having some kind of agenda....

Besides even if Cripps and Menzel become very good players.. you need at least another thirty...
So at this rate we will need them both to not only come good but keep that good level up for another thirty years.... hardly ideal even on your positive scenario

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We all have our own way of perceiving, however, what makes Cripps so much better on paper than the likes of Lucas before the former has even had a chance to kick a ball in anger in the H&A season? However, we can't afford to 'improve' in increments; that's what we've been falling for for years.

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Huh? No, just thought and told you that you sometimes go over the top.

Let's see, 2 years ago Port was the laughing stock - going broke, nobody wanted to go there etc. Very quick turnaround with a new President. Things can improve quickly as well as go to sheit quickly - hello Saints......

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the thread is called 20 years of ineptitude.. how can i be over the top?
second.. port changed everything.. we have people who have shored themselves up

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the other thing about port is they have been quietly taking very good midfielders for around 5 or 6 years...
we were taking hbfers and duds.
I bet you wont find any club not having a single second rounder playing in opening round.
Did we have one third? that would be robbo... much maligned.

we have an overreliance on rookies.. cos our usual picks dont make it.
its the perfect storm for catastrophe

oh and thats not including everything else.....were on the wrong track all over the club.
everywhere u look its

this is why its so sick arund the place...
its not just in the one area.. its everything....

its just we focus on whats going on the ground

its not like were fantastic at most things except footy dept

ive said it before....

if u see a cockroach ... u can bet there are heaps under the floorboard.... all u ned to do is lift those floorboards and theyre gunna be everywhere.....

thats our club

dont focus on what u can see.. think about whats hidden where u cant see...

theres a pattern at the club.. it doesnt begin and end with recruitment...

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Some of us can only articulate what we see. After all, I have no interest or experience with the corporate side of anything. All I see is a football side with a list with a lot of deficiencies that thinks it's much better placed than it is.

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I started the thread and don't think it's over the top
Deliberately posted on Thursday after a shocking loss on Sunday to avoid knee jerk irrational response
The fact that the post has struck such a chord amongst a lot of posters means it isn't an overreaction or a fit of pique
It's not simply about win/loss it goes to the fabric of the club and why people have loved the club for years but love it a little less every year when nothing changes the same power elite hands out board positions to their mates and associates
They think knee jerk non transparent actions is a metaphor for strong decisive leadership
Meanwhile the core or base continues to be more and more disenfranchised
What's worse is this year the 150 year celebration will mask any attempt to change the club or move forward

Things aren't good but my passion is still there. I don't like a lot of things at the club but I am hopeful Sticks going will help matters.

It will take a while and it may be bumpy, this season could go pear shaped pretty quick, but there is talent there to go along with some gaping holes.

How do we get our point across?

We as supporters and members of this once great club after 150 years have lost confidence in the Business Strategy, Board, President, CEO, Recruitment of football department staff and recruitment of players etc.

A suggestion?
We can not do a thing about it, however we can stir up some noise and get our point across. A petition site LostTheFaithInCarlton.com needs to be created and through the use of social media we can all make it go viral. We might not be able to change anything but the people we have lost faith in will see it. It should get through their ears.

Or is there another way we can get immediate attention and get our point across?

I hear a lot of people complaining and saying we can't do anything. In large numbers we have a loud voice.

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It is not as bad as you are lead to believe.......it is %$#^& worse!!!

Not sure about that. There is no way anyone can get rid of Sticks before the end of the year. The celebrations might remind people how successful this Club used to be and how far we have fallen behind our traditional rivals. That could be a good thing.

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They're looking forward to living in the past.

I' m looking forward to a new beginning.

or
ItsOur150thAndWeDontGiveAFarck.com

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Agree Clayman we do have a voice that's why I reckon we should put petition or GWS thread to Swann
If they ignore us we try publicity angle by the way why don't you tap your mate Shane Healy about it and tell him there is huge unrest with supporter base
I know everyone seems to fob off the idea that we put someone from here on the board but if everyone who is in here that is a member supports our candidate then we have a good chance
We have about 10 months to garner support and surely we can find an appropriate and credible candidate in here
We don't want to be seen as a lunatic fringe so a strong candidate in opposition to the existing board is crucial and even if that person fails the issues have been raised and we have tried to be agents for change

Never going to happen. Its a pipe dream and nothing more. Sorry but no one from an internet forum will have any influence on what happens at Carlton - period.

As has been stated many times in this thread, people are slowly turning off. Membership purchasing is now being questioned by members, and the next generation of real supporters will be who?

This is what ultimately will be the downfall of the club. For the diehard's the writing is on the wall, for the average fan the next few years will be the wake up call. We are simply seeing the signs earlier than the average supporter that things at Carlton are not good. For way too long now we've put our trust in the club, from the president down, we've been more than patient supporting our club as they've asked - buy a membership, come to the games and shop @ Carlton. Loyal diehard lovers of Carlton have followed the clubs wishes with the belief their small contributions will go some ways to getting this club back up top where it belongs.

But its another season, another absolutely sh*thouse performance and the diehards at least are saying ...again? You've got to be kidding me! So they step back and take a good long look at the club. Enough with the blind faith that things are in good hands. Quite simply if we are to believe what the club have sold us over the last few years ...They Know We're Coming! Really? / No Passengers! okay ... / I Am Carlton and that means what exactly? I am gullible, accept that my team can deliver inept performances continually and I'll just cop that year after year after year? I don't think so.

Eventually slogans, excuses, 150 year celebrations, alignment of the planets, whatever isn't going to cut it. Improvement is the ONLY thing supporters want to see. Port supporters can see improvement. Hell you'd need to be blind barry not to see how Port have improved. I don't care if they've been secretly working in underground bunkers for the last 10 years to produce improvement - my question is why haven't we?

I'm completely over any talking head from Carlton telling me we're doing our best blah blah blah ...I simply want to see, at the game, with my own eyes, we are improving. Not a gift against Richmond that was handed to us by the AFL last season. For a brief moment I bought it, hook line and sinker. Then Sydney woke me up, and I've been awake ever since. 2014 season comes around and I, like every Carlton supporter out there eagerly awaits their beloved boys to show us improvement. After that Port game I was numb! Absolutely bloody numb. Why? I could see NO difference from last season, or the season before that, or the season before that ...

Premierships? Give me a break. Finals? One can dream. Just improvement. That is all I ask. To know my club is improving. That I have some hope. Because right now, the way I am feeling, I seriously doubt we'll even make the eight this year. And if that doesn't leave an absolutely disgusting taste in your mouth, then you've probably already given up hope.

The details of my diary shouldn't really be of any concern to you Mr S...

Let's just say that living very close to Princes Park whilst growing up, I can recall one of the first training sessions i attending and a young Maclure was manning up Doull at CHF in intra club practice match on the outside number 1 oval. It was a preseason match and I don't think maclure had played a senior game yet... Maybe around 1974 or so...

The thing i remember most from those training sessions in the mid to late 70s were the monster kick ins from Geoff Southby. You could hardly hear any noise when Southby's boot made contact with the ball, and I just couldn't believe how far it travelled.

The footballers these days are treated like rock stars. Can't get too close. I am surprised training sessions are still open to the public.

In the past you could see an international band like deep purple and if you waited long enough after the concert or went back and waited at the hotel p, eventually a band member or two would come out for a chat and autograph. (Ian Gillan and Roger Glover did that).

Society is fundamentally based upon, fear, profit and paranoia these days...

So we get what we deserve in the end...and that's garbage.

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Mr Cretylus .. you said the cntents of your diary arent my business and then you proceeded to rattle of 3 weeks worth.
I do agree re the preciousness of footballers who dont like mixing with the rabble....

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Contradiction is the essence of truth Mr S

Your inability to understand this basic philosophical axiom, that was exposed by the ancient Greeks, the Forefathers of the Indian bhuddists, the Ming dynasty philosophers, the Phonecian scroll decipherers and the indigenous dream time story tellers, highlights your poor performance as a pister in this particular thread...

You should be ashamed of yourself

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Well bloody spoken my friend!

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