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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:18 pm 
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[quote="BigBlueWave"
But hey ... whatever Dr Strangelove and the MC decide is good enough for me (you can't argue with 1 premiership in 18 years).[/quote]

or 3 in 22 years....but yeah, anyway you want it to suit your bias.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:21 pm 
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rhys87 wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
But hey ... whatever Dr Strangelove and the MC decide is good enough for me (you can't argue with 1 premiership in 18 years).


or 3 in 22 years....but yeah, anyway you want it to suit your bias.


I bet Mick was at each club when the preseason started officially.

Except for the blues in his first preseason where a book launch was more important for two weeks...

I know one member that didn't sign up because of that...

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:39 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:06 pm 
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I think if we are to win this game and many others this year, we really need to address our lack of midfield speed and run.

A midfield consisting of Murph, Gibbs, McLean, Curnow, Bell and Robinson lacks speed. Too many similar players in that midfield group. I think you can keep the first four mentioned but need to start getting more games into a Lucas type to add a bit of speed and run and carry. Don't get me wrong, I love Robbo and Bell's toughness around the stoppages but I'm getting sick of our low uncontested possession counts. We have no spread or easy possessions, all our ball is won around the packs and is never quality disposal. Not to mention, our forwards are not up to a high enough standard to benefit from long bombs into the forward line with no quick ball movement.

We need to persist with guys like Watson and Menzel and get game time into them ASAP. Our lack of talent in our young stocks is staggering but not surprising given our lack of early picks of late. So we either get game time into them to see if we can fast track them.

Another issue I have is our use of the sub. We nearly always use the wrong type of player as sub. Bell coming off on the weekend was fine but this is when you want a hard running, ball finding type player to come on and make use of leg speed to carve up on the tiring opposition players. Not a knock on Menzel, but he isn't a huge possession gatherer.

Let's not kid ourselves, our list isn't as bad as the media is making out but we do have genuine issues that need sorting. We need more midfield speed (draft players like Isaac Smith in future drafts if possible). We need Hendo up forward and another quality key defender. We need to either find a ruck who can play forward eg a Hale type or we ruck Kreuzer solo with a pinch hitter as backup. We need to embrace the draft and replenish our young talent.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:16 pm 
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We need to play Casboult forward and persist with him week in week out, thats when (hopefully) he will come good. Henderson down back is a must.
I know most dont want this, but he is a gun key position backman that our defence desperately needs. back spine with Jammo FB. makes it stand strong.
Only switch him when we are in dire straits.....move Yarran HB & Touhey into the midfield & rotating him at HF.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:28 pm 
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agree that levi must play forward and be left there for weeks and weeks, hendo back is good and watson in level 4 would be handy


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:35 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
........ But hey ... whatever Dr Strangelove and the MC decide is good enough for me (you can't argue with 1 premiership in 18 years).

Er... That would be 3 premierships in his 19 years at the top for a strike rate of one every 6.33 years. Or, if you want to be really fair, then it's 3 premierships in the 29 years he's coached for a strike rate of one every 9.67 years.

Compared with:

Brett Ratten - zero
Nathan Buckley - zero
Ken Judge - zero
Tony Shaw - zero
John Todd - zero
Bluey Hampshire - zero
Terry Wheeler - zero

* These are all his predecessors and successors at Footscray, WCE, Collingwood, and Carlton.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:41 pm 
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I'd like to see the selectors favour the blokes who have had a solid pre-season.

If form strongly dictates otherwise then fair enough, but if it's at all a close thing,
go for the player with the fitness base.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:05 pm 
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rhys87 wrote:
[quote="BigBlueWave"
But hey ... whatever Dr Strangelove and the MC decide is good enough for me (you can't argue with 1 premiership in 18 years).


or 3 in 22 years....but yeah, anyway you want it to suit your bias.[/quote]


Or 3 in 30 ... :wink:

But I am not complaining ... :smoking:

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:06 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
........ But hey ... whatever Dr Strangelove and the MC decide is good enough for me (you can't argue with 1 premiership in 18 years).

Er... That would be 3 premierships in his 19 years at the top for a strike rate of one every 6.33 years. Or, if you want to be really fair, then it's 3 premierships in the 29 years he's coached for a strike rate of one every 9.67 years.

Compared with:

Brett Ratten - zero
Nathan Buckley - zero
Ken Judge - zero
Tony Shaw - zero
John Todd - zero
Bluey Hampshire - zero
Terry Wheeler - zero

* These are all his predecessors and successors at Footscray, WCE, Collingwood, and Carlton.



Compared with Clarkson

2 in 8 ... probably 3 in 9.

Like I said ... 1 in 18 is good going.

Viva Dr Strangelove. :clap:

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:28 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Watson needs to go. McInnes as well for the moment. Walker in trouble

B: Yarran Jamison White
HB: Everitt Henderson Tuohy Simpson

Foll: Warnock Bell Murphy
C: Thomas McLean Gibbs

HF: Robinson Casboult Ellard
F: Menzel Waite

Int: Curnow Cripps Scotland Graham


..hampson will jump all over knockers in the ruck and run off him at will around the ground, don't like bolt as back up ruck, rather have him play all game fwd if he plays..



He might, but he will run to all the wrong spots, where the ball isn't. Just like Warnock :yikes:


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:37 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
Watson is our worst player. There I said it.

Whew ...



:lol: I don't think you are going to get too much backlash for that comment mate.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:53 pm 
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We need to be prepared to try new ideas with this group...

We keep trying the same players in the same position and get the same return.

We need to look at fast tracking the Bullants.

Jeffy, Armfield, McInnes, Robbo, Levi, Watson, Bootsma etc need to understand that if they don't perform, there is Cripps, Graham, Temay etc hungry for their spot.

We play like we are very comfortable with the minimum requirement to get paid and picked for the following week.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:55 pm 
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Kreuz CHB? If it doesn't work, so be it. If it does, masterstroke. Bolt plays forward and pinch hits in the ruck. Why not give it a go?
We can't play Kreuz and Warnock as rucks- not going to work. The days of first and second ruckmen have gone.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:58 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
........ But hey ... whatever Dr Strangelove and the MC decide is good enough for me (you can't argue with 1 premiership in 18 years).

Er... That would be 3 premierships in his 19 years at the top for a strike rate of one every 6.33 years. Or, if you want to be really fair, then it's 3 premierships in the 29 years he's coached for a strike rate of one every 9.67 years.

Compared with:

Brett Ratten - zero
Nathan Buckley - zero
Ken Judge - zero
Tony Shaw - zero
John Todd - zero
Bluey Hampshire - zero
Terry Wheeler - zero

* These are all his predecessors and successors at Footscray, WCE, Collingwood, and Carlton.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:58 pm 
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Hinkley appointed to Port at the same time Mick got the job at carlton.

Port were considered the worst list in the league at the time. Off field almost in receivership.

one pre season later they start the year off with 5 consecutive wins. they make the finals, beat Collingwood at home, and had the cats on the ropes a week later. During the year won at least 4 games in spirited come backs.

In the meantime, Mick couldn't even start the pre season for 2 weeks due to a book launch and tour.

Oversaw a business as usual leadership group, that elected Murphy as skipper.

Played boring risk less footy around the wings during the year that didn't suit our list.

Was given a free finals pass due to the mess at the tullamarine poping headquarters.

Relied on a hopeless Tiger second half to win a final and then produced one of the worst performances by a Calrton team the following week. An unheard of team tackle count of 39.

A coach with experience and wisdom would know what to do, the moment they enter a new club. Hit the road running.

What was last year all about?

And nobody knows what this year will bring - they may turn it around quickly and play with spirit and intent....

don't hold your breath with this group of players....I don't trust them

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:02 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
Henderson has to play back (cause there is no other tall other than Jamison who can do the job).
Casboult to take Henderson's spot up forward.
Cripps at least as the substitute.
Graham and Buckley need to be considered.

But hey ... whatever Dr Strangelove and the MC decide is good enough for me (you can't argue with 1 premiership in 18 years).


But you can argue with 0 incoherent posts in 1476

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:17 pm 
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moshe25 wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
........ But hey ... whatever Dr Strangelove and the MC decide is good enough for me (you can't argue with 1 premiership in 18 years).

Er... That would be 3 premierships in his 19 years at the top for a strike rate of one every 6.33 years. Or, if you want to be really fair, then it's 3 premierships in the 29 years he's coached for a strike rate of one every 9.67 years.

Compared with:

Brett Ratten - zero
Nathan Buckley - zero
Ken Judge - zero
Tony Shaw - zero
John Todd - zero
Bluey Hampshire - zero
Terry Wheeler - zero

* These are all his predecessors and successors at Footscray, WCE, Collingwood, and Carlton.


He also left West Coast a complete and utter shambles. Would argue he could have done more with leaving Collingwood's list in the best possible state also.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:20 pm 
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my team,
simpson jamison buckley
tuohy watson everitt
yarran gibbs scotland
menzel henderson thomas
garlett waite kreuzer
warnock murphy cripps
robinson curnow ellard SUB; graham
-buckley adds pace.
-scotland adds experience.
-menzel, cripps and graham should be playing every week.
-massive game, hope we don't get flogged, pressure will then be on..
-yarran is not a defender, play makers are not defenders, jetta and cryil don't play those roles mick...


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:26 pm 
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Hinkley appointed to Port at the same time Mick got the job at carlton.

Port were considered the worst list in the league at the time. Off field almost in receivership.

one pre season later they start the year off with 5 consecutive wins. they make the finals, beat Collingwood at home, and had the cats on the ropes a week later. During the year won at least 4 games in spirited come backs.

In the meantime, Mick couldn't even start the pre season for 2 weeks due to a book launch and tour.

Oversaw a business as usual leadership group, that elected Murphy as skipper.

Played boring risk less footy around the wings during the year that didn't suit our list.

Was given a free finals pass due to the mess at the tullamarine poping headquarters.

Relied on a hopeless Tiger second half to win a final and then produced one of the worst performances by a Calrton team the following week. An unheard of team tackle count of 39.

A coach with experience and wisdom would know what to do, the moment they enter a new club. Hit the road running.

What was last year all about?

And nobody knows what this year will bring - they may turn it around quickly and play with spirit and intent....

don't hold your breath with this group of players....I don't trust them


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