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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:53 pm 
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You make some very good points Synbad. But I'm buggered if I know where you get the energy!

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:56 pm 
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..as he should, he played first ruck for most of the game so was able to get in his groove and he wasn't underdone.. ..how did he play out of the ruck though??.. ..as for contested marking, krooz is in the top bracket for marking among other rucks.. ..you don't wanna know how knockers goes, trust me.. ..but it is a moot point, cos knockers can't withstand the ruckload..


Is that really the case re: MK's marking? I'm finding his marking attempts to be non AFL standard for a player of his stature. Runs under the ball, puts up his cardboard arms, and has no confidence in a marking contest. How this has not been rectified for a player that's being groomed to play forward is staggering.

I say play Kreuzer in the 2's. Get fit, get some confidence & work on his deficiencies (incl. his field & goal kicking).



..among top 20 rucks of last year krooz avg's top bracket for contested marking and marks inside 50 and is middle ground for marks overall, in a year he broke his thumb.. .... ..i have a suspicion that marking is a skill rucks develop much later in their careers, most rucks get better with age, perhaps all the art of rucking counter acts marking to an extent, so marking develops slowly.. ..yes he does have flaws about his marking and will improve especially ball flight judgement, I think it gets exposed cos he actually gets to so many contests, and also he is often against a kpd which does have a natural feel for those kinds of contests..

..we won't play krooz in the two's, no faith in knockers.. ..not an opinion, more an observation based upon mc history..

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:00 pm 
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You will change your tune on him Synbad. I remember you started out supporting Pagan then changed. It'll happen. ;)

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:04 pm 
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..mm game plan can work, but it needs big work ethic.. ..same goes for every winning game plan it doesn't matter which.. ..last 8yrs or so some different styles all worked.. ..wjat they all share is hard work, team work.. ..blues haven't lived either for a decade.. ..this more than list management is the problem..

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You will change your tune on him Synbad. I remember you started out supporting Pagan then changed. It'll happen. ;)


Really???

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:05 pm 
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You make some very good points Synbad. But I'm buggered if I know where you get the energy!

Try rum and cigars sometime.... :wink:


One thing about footy is its such a small pool of brains .. that people think and do copy each other.
Every team thats won a flag has its own distinct style... no one team has copied another and won the flag
Sydney has his style...
Geelong have theirs
Hawthorn have theirs
Collingwood had theirs
Stkilda had their ross lyon style...

none of them copy each others....but theyre all distinct and different.

hawthorn had left footers.. everyone got them
someone else had big bodied everyone wants to copy
another team is this or that everybody tries to copy

you wont win anything copying.....

look at your team

lots of clearance players with no skills and no forwards and 2 rucks like us??
stick to the boundary is common sense.. its logic.. its playing the percentages
now if the players got abit interested in the footy... and showed some desire it might just work.


but you do need commitment
right now were not a committed TEAM... by team i mean not one player looking for the easy way out

thats our first challenge....

the piggy comments are ridiculous.. someone is going to break that style down too..

commitment
leadership
pride
care factor to not be crap and always give a good showing is paramount in footy

fix that and move to the next base

@#$%&! piggy!!!.. i wanna know what he thinks about dope cheating...not about the complexities of coaching.. hes not a strategists arsehole...
theorising is one thing.... the reality is different..
we are who we are...... and we cant change any of that till the next draft

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:08 pm 
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sad game
not because we lost but because I looked at Port's midfield and game style and I saw everything we are NOT ... not even close!
how big, young, big, strong, big and hard working are their midfield.
we did have our moments but when they got on top they tore us apart, when we got on top we were lucky to kick 2 or 3 goals.
the only part of the game I enjoyed from us, was when we started using the corridor half way through the third and yarran got his hands on the ball a few times
it going to be long year ... yeah I know its just game one, but not a lot to get excited about

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:17 pm 
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You will change your tune on him Synbad. I remember you started out supporting Pagan then changed. It'll happen. ;)


Really???

pagan had a great record till he came here...
he ran into the same problems as the other coaches
lack of pride and effort
spoilt footballers

etc

still the same problem

so i ask YOU... why cant the players motivate themselves for a prelim final berth effes??

i can tell u one thing

the players love malthouse...


do u think there is a possibility.. that this club has a poor culture for success?

if you cant tackle more than 39 times in a final when the opposition have had the ball at an almost record amount of times.. youre putting effort down to the game plan are you???

when u build something marvelous.. the first thing u have to do is put the foundations in.

say the pyramids


the bulk of the work is done under the ground and then the base .. and then u build upon that base and in the end u have one big cupe at its peak...the cute bit

but if you flip it around.. and place the whole thing on that one single cube.. would it stand up effes???

just another question i want you to go away and think about....

effort is the first thing you ask from any team u coach.. and effort is the first thing thats expected
its a non negotiable in sport

then u can worry about the game plan...

how do u know how any gameplan stands up if theres no effort???

and u have to say 39 tackles in a match and 55 odd this week reeks of a lack of effort

which means this

EVEN is they played your gamestyle and they had ripper skills.. without effort they would lose

maybe mick isnt the right man to motivate this lot...to doo the basic in sport...provide effort

maybe they need a coach to tell them to pin pass the ballaround the ground to extract effort???

the thing about kicking the ball through the eye of a needle.. is you need to string it together numerous times to succeed. im a % man... i dont reckon our blokes can do that at a good % ...

Do you??.. do you think we can share the ball around.. (assuming for a second ) numerous times without turning it over in hot spots on the ground???

thats what i think youre saying...

think %ers....

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:23 pm 
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i want it to shown that we can pass the ball around the ground at will playing a game of keepings off and do that effectively

yes i understand the theory.. but who believes we can do that well for 120 minutes.. might be 140 minutes depending on time on with aall those turn over goals we might have to stop time for.

i can just see it now... a string of passes and dont forget marks..and spreading and creating options by a bunch of maligned footballers and rookie drafted players.
carrazzo to robbo.. to curnow .. to lucas.. ill throw in cripps and graham... back over to mciness..

in theory its nice

in reality it wont happen

robbo for graham wont change that....ive seen some huge clangers from graham

youre talking about guys who wont/ refuse and dont have the nerve to kick at goal from 40 meters... (easier than pin point passes) and want to try and walk the ball in to goals.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:24 pm 
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if these prima donnas LOVE malthouse but can't be motivated to show some heart, pride, fight and mongrel

then what hope does anyone else have?

coming on 20 years since our last flag - seems like we are at least another 20 years away ….

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:29 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Cretylus wrote:
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You will change your tune on him Synbad. I remember you started out supporting Pagan then changed. It'll happen. ;)


Really???

pagan had a great record till he came here...
he ran into the same problems as the other coaches
lack of pride and effort
spoilt footballers

etc

still the same problem

so i ask YOU... why cant the players motivate themselves for a prelim final berth effes??

i can tell u one thing

the players love malthouse...


do u think there is a possibility.. that this club has a poor culture for success?

if you cant tackle more than 39 times in a final when the opposition have had the ball at an almost record amount of times.. youre putting effort down to the game plan are you???

when u build something marvelous.. the first thing u have to do is put the foundations in.

say the pyramids


the bulk of the work is done under the ground and then the base .. and then u build upon that base and in the end u have one big cupe at its peak...the cute bit

but if you flip it around.. and place the whole thing on that one single cube.. would it stand up effes???

just another question i want you to go away and think about....

effort is the first thing you ask from any team u coach.. and effort is the first thing thats expected
its a non negotiable in sport

then u can worry about the game plan...

how do u know how any gameplan stands up if theres no effort???

and u have to say 39 tackles in a match and 55 odd this week reeks of a lack of effort

which means this

EVEN is they played your gamestyle and they had ripper skills.. without effort they would lose

maybe mick isnt the right man to motivate this lot...to doo the basic in sport...provide effort

maybe they need a coach to tell them to pin pass the ballaround the ground to extract effort???

the thing about kicking the ball through the eye of a needle.. is you need to string it together numerous times to succeed. im a % man... i dont reckon our blokes can do that at a good % ...

Do you??.. do you think we can share the ball around.. (assuming for a second ) numerous times without turning it over in hot spots on the ground???

thats what i think youre saying...

think %ers....


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and you delivered the sermon on the mount

You will see genuine change when Swann gets these two back together at carlton, and we recruit Nick Maxwell as captain and head hunt Garry Pert and Lucuria


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:35 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
if these prima donnas LOVE malthouse but can't be motivated to show some heart, pride, fight and mongrel

then what hope does anyone else have?

coming on 20 years since our last flag - seems like we are at least another 20 years away ….


....you have to admit though that under Mick we have had only one major national book launch and tour right at the start of his first pre season as senior coach

I would give Mick until 2021 to make the 8 without AFL intervention, then maybe Swann can look at getting Nathan Buckley as coach

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:43 pm 
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Cretylus wrote:
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if these prima donnas LOVE malthouse but can't be motivated to show some heart, pride, fight and mongrel

then what hope does anyone else have?

coming on 20 years since our last flag - seems like we are at least another 20 years away ….


....you have to admit though that under Mick we have had only one major national book launch and tour right at the start of his first pre season as senior coach

I would give Mick until 2021 to make the 8 without AFL intervention, then maybe Swann can look at getting Nathan Buckley as coach

well when u go on your job interview and u tell your prospective employer youll start in a year and they say its ok.. and u go and come back in a year... you cant be to blame

now why are we shit???

well the truth is we have no heart
were not a honest footy club from the top to the bottom

but taking that aside for a moment

the club is running it on a shoestring budget

who will ever forget the part time vfl coach full time primary school principle
or the assistants capuano... the guy thats been working with our rucks for 5 or 5 years

then johnny 'giggles' barker... didnt succeed as a forward coach .. so was moved to look after defence
thats just a peek into what were doing....

then consider what was at malthouses disposal at collingwood.. everybody wanted to go there and be an understudy

if we pay someone big.... u can bet we are cutting costs for 5 others .
judd... and the list
malthouse .. the coaches

the names always do well... the others are a hotpotch

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:52 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
if these prima donnas LOVE malthouse but can't be motivated to show some heart, pride, fight and mongrel

then what hope does anyone else have?

coming on 20 years since our last flag - seems like we are at least another 20 years away ….

it does.
still, watching the replay, we did have endeavor and lots of it in q1.
the guys fought back again q 2 and q3.\
there is a chance that what MM said is true.
He insists they are fit. Synners reckons they love him.
let's see if maybe they can play out 4 q's with endeavour in the next few weeks.
Then at years end we can address the other issues.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:58 pm 
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Good teams can have bad days.
Honest teams bounce back.. bad teams dont....

lets see how we go

the players should know what they need to address.

i have an issue with the honesty of our club right now.

i dont even care where we finish on the ladder as long as there is honesty... integrity.. pride... respect

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:30 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
graham is going to save us now is he?


explain one thing...to me.. because i dont get this.. ive tried to bring it to your attention .. for example the swans game

why is it we dont work hard enough? our tackle rate tells that story...

if you are dreaming about us having fantastic skill sets...why dont you think about our effort on the ground???

one is good given and improved with a bunch of work
and one is just a zest for competition.. some fire in the belly

the sydney game is a classic example effes

why 39 tackles???

was the carrot to play prelim footy not big enough???..we had the opportunity to play prelim for the first time in 13 years.. and we made 39 tackles

now think about this.....

if we promised each player... we received permission from the afl...we can give each player $100,000 each.. if they won the game.. do you think the tackle count would have been 39 for that final???

think about that

youre hoping they will suddenly be polished... which is impossible... when in fact they cant do the possible.. and set a work ethic standard

when the opposition have the ball playing keepings off.. one realistoc way of getting the ball back is tackling...

but tackling is about desire and heart and thirst to succeed.

the moral of my story is this

before you want the almost impossible... how about improving the possible???

think about the sydney game and each player gets 100k to win.. do you think they would have played a game as lame as that.. and made 39 tackles??

prelim final wasnt a big enough carrot was it??? the money may have motivated some to chase and tackle and play with a fierce desire to win thats needed .

its carried onto this year... and u want POLISH!!!.. thats absurd!!!


That post pretty much sums up the way I feel about this team.

When they're on they're okay but there's no consistent effort quarter to quarter let alone week to week.

Obviously there are issues with the administration but the issue I can't get my head around is why is Kade Simpson the only player who seems to care anything like 90% of the time?

Our best and our worst are so far apart it's obscene.

I look at a lot of our players and I see a bunch of rich kids worrying about their hair and their investment portfolios. They don't seem to really care about how their careers will be viewed in the long term or what it is that they're supposed to be providing to the club in exchange for the wealth they receive in return. I think back to guys like Peter Dean, Bruce Doull and Des English who will never be left wondering if they could have got something more out of themselves and just feel sad.

If Murphy was a real leader of the club he'd walk up to Simmo tomorrow and ask him to step in as leader. It would be the first sign of real leadership at the club for a long time. I like Murph and think he'd be a terrific third or fourth midfielder in a side like Geelong of the last few years but asking an introvert to be captain is like asking a mouse to be a lion - it might work with Peter Sellars playing the lead but it's a high risk strategy.

I want to see a bunch of players with a bit of cauliflower in them (and I don't just mean stupid cauliflower like Robbo). Doing a club promo photo with "angry-face" doesn't make you a hard and tough four quarter footballer. If you can't follow it up with four quarters of hard and tough football it just makes you a tosser.

Too many of them at the moment.

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Another game where we just couldn't extend a 4 goal lead to beyond breaking point. So many times we've struggled to take a lead from 20ish points into the 40s.

I know 4 goals is pretty quickly reeled in in today's footy but it just seems to happen with us an inordinate number of times :banghead:

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If anyone was at the game like I was did they notice the change in effort from the second qtr?

In the first qtr we were all zoning and playing someone behind the ball at all times and they were all working together. In the second qtr several players started running forward of the ball and it all fell apart.

There are a few players that simply want to play the game on there terms. Don't work hard enough and are selfish.


...and that's long been the criticism - that we have too many 'cheats'. I watched the game on the iPad, so it's difficult to pick up on who the guilty players are, but a few - like 'Brick' McLean - ought to know better.


It was the old McLean yesterday. He was poor.

Robinson picks and chooses as do Tuohy, Everitt Yarran & Walker. Talented footballers but lazy. Nothings changed. That what was most disappointing about it al

I'll call it now but Watson is not up to it!

The other point is Waite refuses to lead. A number of times he could of drawn the ball but preferred to go for the speccy. Not good enough.



Psyc, I think non of our forwards lead, and haven't mostly with Mick as coach, it's all contested marks up in the air. I think it's the game plan.


I'm thinking the same with Robbos long kicking at all costs. Ratts taught him to look low and take the better option when possible, but he has gone back to the big boot, but its always. I think they are both following instructions.

What do you think ? I hope I'm wrong on both , because its @#$%&! aweful.


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Man I must have watched a different match. Thought it was an awesome effort in terms of guts and determination for 3/4 until we ran out of juice in the last. Our skills don't look that great and we are still not well drilled enough going forward but in terms of commitment and pride this was the best effort I have seen by a blues side for some years. We just need to sustain it.

If, as malthouse says, that we need to get match fitness into some key players then I am confident that we will have a better second half of the season.

We still have 21 rounds to go, let's not get too carried away just yet.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:18 pm 
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i liked the Facebook page today

'which blues player impressed you the most yesterday'

WTF !!?!?!

wrong mentality across the board

we got pumped

get @#$%&!

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