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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:46 am 
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Effes.. like i have been saying.
Games are won and lost in the midfield these days.
We have very little quality.. very little run.
Id trade Murphy end of season. He like Dal Santo is not a front liner and we desperately need 2 picks in the top 12 to address the midfield slide.
As a captain he isnt a frontliner and has nowhere to go now that hes captain.Its best to move him on and look for the next cycle to take us there.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:58 am 
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Our 3 best chances of regenerating the club through the trade table have all just re-signed long term deals. Very frustrating.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:01 am 
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If anyone was at the game like I was did they notice the change in effort from the second qtr?

In the first qtr we were all zoning and playing someone behind the ball at all times and they were all working together. In the second qtr several players started running forward of the ball and it all fell apart.

There are a few players that simply want to play the game on there terms. Don't work hard enough and are selfish.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:05 am 
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If anyone was at the game like I was did they notice the change in effort from the second qtr?

In the first qtr we were all zoning and playing someone behind the ball at all times and they were all working together. In the second qtr several players started running forward of the ball and it all fell apart.

There are a few players that simply want to play the game on there terms. Don't work hard enough and are selfish.


...and that's long been the criticism - that we have too many 'cheats'. I watched the game on the iPad, so it's difficult to pick up on who the guilty players are, but a few - like 'Brick' McLean - ought to know better.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:11 am 
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Lucas is a top 12, didn't play yesterday

Mick's favorite players are/were Duigan and Lucas

I wouldn't worry too much, Mick and Rob Wiley the director of coaching and development will rebuild this club

He will need 12 to 16 years and at least 6 pay increases, with yearly book tours
The question remains

Was this man a better football player than Murphy? (another Mick Favorite when he was at the Pies)


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:18 am 
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We need a new Book launch during the season (Wiley and Capuano can take the reins until Mick returns from the book tour)

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:25 am 
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I surprisingly didn't really give a shit watching the game last night.

Would any team in the league have possession so often but fail to convert as much as we do?


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:27 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Effes.. like i have been saying.
Games are won and lost in the midfield these days.
We have very little quality.. very little run.
Id trade Murphy end of season. He like Dal Santo is not a front liner and we desperately need 2 picks in the top 12 to address the midfield slide.
As a captain he isnt a frontliner and has nowhere to go now that hes captain.Its best to move him on and look for the next cycle to take us there.


You can't trade your Captain who just re-signed.
You just can't.

I can see your point, but that is no longer an option.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:30 am 
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Michael Gleeson from the Age actually sums it up pretty accurately:


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For periods it was easy to believe the change had come. For periods Carlton played like a side that belonged. There was desperation, there was freedom and there was movement. There were key players in key positions who looked settled. Their recruits both kicked goals and the lead grew.

But then it was as easy to believe little had changed. Matthew Watson looked for places to hide, Andrew Walker looked for mindless things to do and ways to be reported (he succeeded), Matthew Kruezer went in the ruck and the game’s momentum changed. It could not be certain if Lachie Henderson was better played forward or back, Jarrad Waite played a blistering five minute cameo and disappeared and, save for one thrilling goal, Chris Yarran was unsighted.



http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/lack-of-match-fitness-reason-for-loss-says-malthouse-20140317-hvjg2.html


And for all the Warnock-knockers, this is exactly what I was thinking the whole game:

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Carlton played a game of stark contrast. Perhaps it was coincidence but when Robbie Warnock was in the ruck Carlton looked good. When he was off they did not. A year that might define Matthew Kreuzer’s career did not begin well for him as a ruckman.

When Warnock was on so was Carlton. They won clearances and so earnt the use of the ball and the ownership of it in their forward line. They assailed Port. Almost as simultaneous as his rest on the bench was the return of Port Adelaide to the contest.



Anyone who thinks that Kreuzer should be our number one ruck at the moment ahead of Warnock is kidding themselves.
Robbie has deficiencies around the ground that he needs to work on, but he is a good tap ruckman.

Sometimes I think that people on this site invent negative facts about players just so they can say "I told you so, he's no good, end of story".
That's probably true of a lot of supporters in general.

To be fair to Matty as well, he seemed to be consistently be given ruck duties when a lot of the best mids were being rotated off for a spell.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:31 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Effes.. like i have been saying.
Games are won and lost in the midfield these days.
We have very little quality.. very little run.
Id trade Murphy end of season. He like Dal Santo is not a front liner and we desperately need 2 picks in the top 12 to address the midfield slide.
As a captain he isnt a frontliner and has nowhere to go now that hes captain.Its best to move him on and look for the next cycle to take us there.



Games are won and lost in the coaches box and training track
Ratten wasn't a pimple on a coaches bum - but we have gone backwards at a rate of knots since he left
Don't often agree with Eddie but he was right about Mick
Low disposal long kicking game is going to get cut up every time
Can't keep giving up the corridor and giving up possession - you need the ball in your hands to win games of footy and you need to close things down when a team gets a couple in a row to stop their momentum
We did it in the third couldnt do it in the second and last quarters

Port were a basket case 2 years ago it was shut the gate through away the key stuff
A morning TV presenter and an Assistant coach have turned them around
We hired a self centred idiot as a coach

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:32 am 
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DocSherrin wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
If anyone was at the game like I was did they notice the change in effort from the second qtr?

In the first qtr we were all zoning and playing someone behind the ball at all times and they were all working together. In the second qtr several players started running forward of the ball and it all fell apart.

There are a few players that simply want to play the game on there terms. Don't work hard enough and are selfish.


...and that's long been the criticism - that we have too many 'cheats'. I watched the game on the iPad, so it's difficult to pick up on who the guilty players are, but a few - like 'Brick' McLean - ought to know better.


It was the old McLean yesterday. He was poor.

Robinson picks and chooses as do Tuohy, Everitt Yarran & Walker. Talented footballers but lazy. Nothings changed. That what was most disappointing about it all.

I'll call it now but Watson is not up to it!

The other point is Waite refuses to lead. A number of times he could of drawn the ball but preferred to go for the speccy. Not good enough.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:40 am 
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Should have smashed the list up a while back but that didn't happen due to people getting sidetracked and we missed a trade period due to the book launch saga and the ' hands were tied ' excuse.

Now we pay.

Having said that I loved the style of footy we played in the first quarter apart from scoring efficiency. Port were lucky to get past halfway. If we do have fitness problems then we will be a whole lot better when fitness builds.

When switched on we played a good tough brand of football. Unfortunately we haven't been able to stay switched on for long enough in games for years now.

Dalesy continued where he left off at Collingwood. Not polished enough with the ball. Great without it though.

Overall I think we will still be able to enjoy the football this year. It wont be a complete fizzer for the blues. Can see us winning 12 or so games.

The next 8 years will be dominated by Freo , Hawks , GWS and Goldie. Hawks being the only horrible lot in that group.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:55 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Effes.. like i have been saying.
Games are won and lost in the midfield these days.
We have very little quality.. very little run.
Id trade Murphy end of season. He like Dal Santo is not a front liner and we desperately need 2 picks in the top 12 to address the midfield slide.
As a captain he isnt a frontliner and has nowhere to go now that hes captain.Its best to move him on and look for the next cycle to take us there.



Games are won and lost in the coaches box and training track
Ratten wasn't a pimple on a coaches bum - but we have gone backwards at a rate of knots since he left
Don't often agree with Eddie but he was right about Mick
Low disposal long kicking game is going to get cut up every time
Can't keep giving up the corridor and giving up possession - you need the ball in your hands to win games of footy and you need to close things down when a team gets a couple in a row to stop their momentum
We did it in the third couldnt do it in the second and last quarters

Port were a basket case 2 years ago it was shut the gate through away the key stuff
A morning TV presenter and an Assistant coach have turned them around
We hired a self centred idiot as a coach



Actually no... games are won and lost in the midfield.
But before that a club is defined off field... starting with the president
if you believe that our club has a clue what its doing off field and so should on field.. you really miss the point.

Our on field is a reflection of our off field.

in other words you have no idea.
the coach like Pagan has won flags.. but hes come to the football equivalent of the elephants graveyard.. where everybody comes to die....
Why? because the culture of the club is diseased... maybe you dont like to understand that because its hurtful... but that is the truth!!!...
If were not kicking goals off field.. how will on field kick goals?
Mick and Denis came from clubs that were solid into a club thats riddled with disease and delusional thoughts.

We have been poor in every department... for a very long period of time.
Mick would have had everything he wanted at Collingwood... coaches etc
We give him half of what he had.Collingwood was a machine that didnt just manufacture footballers on the park.. but coaches.. CEOS and even physical conditioning people.
Meaning.. you must have an environment of planning and succession to succeed.
We wouldnt even get rid of a yobbo like Sticks..... were frozen in ice.. a remnant of an era of the past

There is no honesty at the club....!!!
Starts and ends right there.....

Cant blame Mick .. blame Sticks!!!.. the board sets the direction.. its why theyre called directors.
Worse than that.. our supporters are sheep!!!.. they follow..

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:00 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Effes.. like i have been saying.
Games are won and lost in the midfield these days.
We have very little quality.. very little run.
Id trade Murphy end of season. He like Dal Santo is not a front liner and we desperately need 2 picks in the top 12 to address the midfield slide.
As a captain he isnt a frontliner and has nowhere to go now that hes captain.Its best to move him on and look for the next cycle to take us there.



Games are won and lost in the coaches box and training track
Ratten wasn't a pimple on a coaches bum - but we have gone backwards at a rate of knots since he left
Don't often agree with Eddie but he was right about Mick
Low disposal long kicking game is going to get cut up every time
Can't keep giving up the corridor and giving up possession - you need the ball in your hands to win games of footy and you need to close things down when a team gets a couple in a row to stop their momentum
We did it in the third couldnt do it in the second and last quarters

Port were a basket case 2 years ago it was shut the gate through away the key stuff
A morning TV presenter and an Assistant coach have turned them around
We hired a self centred idiot as a coach

Ratten was given a job he couldnt do.. and he was allowed to do it for 5 years...
we havent gone backwards... we made the eight .. we didnt under his guard in his last year
We have been declining because of the decisions Ratts was allowed to make.. and the decisions the board made.

Laughable.. last year you blamed Eddie for losses...we have less indigenous people for ou to blame this year...
In fact we lost our best goal kicker.. our most creative forward player and our number 1 forward defensive footballer.

We allowed him to go because players couldnt and wouldnt make a sacrifice to keep him.
Why wouldnt Murphy Carrazzo Waite Judd take a pay cut to keep him?
You see off field reflects on field... no sacrifices off .. no sacrifices on.

= culture!!!
Sense of entitlement... but no real sweat.. off and on the field.
We will miss Eddie more than people think....
No forward pressure last night .

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:01 am 
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Synners Port was a basket case both on and off the field two years ago
A change in coach and President turned it around

Hinkley applied for every job going for years no one wanted him - Several coaches knocked back the job there as they were a mess

Put one or two people in the right places and the whole thing can turn around

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:02 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Synners Port was a basket case both on and off the field two years ago
A change in coach and President turned it around

Hinkley applied for every job going for years no one wanted him - Several coaches knocked back the job there as they were a mess

Put one or two people in the right places and the whole thing can turn around

The about face of the club would never have happened.. if they didnt change off field.
Make no mistake!!!

Youre putting the cart before the horse....

We are in the abyss because of the choices we have made off field.
On field follows...

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:04 am 
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If you think the current coach rather than the list and the previous coach is the cause of our problems, you are kidding yourself. We will get smashed if this list player group starts bringing it down the middle. They have not got the hardness or the disposal skills.
Malthouse turned over 25% of the list last year. He had his hands tied the year before. He and the club have been proactive
You can criticise him/the club for picking one too few at the draft table last year, for not giving guys like buckley enough game time. But he had a list with an old Judd, a knee wrecked Kruezer and no Fevola and 3 hopeless first rounders (Watson, Bootsma, Lucas) compare that to where we were in 2008. Last year Malthouse still won us a final
This is a complete rebuild, 2 years of drafting and another 2 of development & I am not sure Malthouse can do all that and keep us in the finals. He needs minimum 4 years (2016) before you judge


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Synbad wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Synners Port was a basket case both on and off the field two years ago
A change in coach and President turned it around

Hinkley applied for every job going for years no one wanted him - Several coaches knocked back the job there as they were a mess

Put one or two people in the right places and the whole thing can turn around

The about face of the club would never have happened.. if they didnt change off field.
Make no mistake!!!

Youre putting the cart before the horse....

We are in the abyss because of the choices we have made off field.
On field follows...



You don't think the club has given Malthouse a free license for what he wants
He is the man in charge its his baby to play with

they have gone from one extreme to another
One coach who had no say in Ratten to another who has all the say and neither is working
If Malthouse is the man he should be telling them what he wants put in place
Trouble is he is to busy worrying about his ego and trying to come up with his next smart one liner at the next press conference - He is the Paul Keating of the football world - smart mouth telling everyone how good he is mean while the whole place is falling apart around his ears . He has everyone convinced he is the right man for the job but doesn't have a clue

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:10 am 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
If you think the current coach rather than the list and the previous coach is the cause of our problems, you are kidding yourself. We will get smashed if this list player group starts bringing it down the middle. They have not got the hardness or the disposal skills.
Malthouse turned over 25% of the list last year. He had his hands tied the year before. He and the club have been proactive
You can criticise him/the club for picking one too few at the draft table last year, for not giving guys like buckley enough game time. But he had a list with an old Judd, a knee wrecked Kruezer and no Fevola and 3 hopeless first rounders (Watson, Bootsma, Lucas) compare that to where we were in 2008. Last year Malthouse still won us a final
This is a complete rebuild, 2 years of drafting and another 2 of development & I am not sure Malthouse can do all that and keep us in the finals. He needs minimum 4 years (2016) before you judge



9 top 10 draft picks - nothing wrong with the list - a poor workman always blames his tools

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