Brendan Fevola will play one game (only) for Kangaroo Flat v Golden Square on Good Friday.

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No really....

But as we all know, it's not difficult to join the dots?

You can't see why Good Friday is under attack, why and by what mechanism?

Know your enemy mr Dane, know your enemy well, it is all pervasive with different masks but has the same face......

Cretylus has delivered thy sermon and retire for the awakening dawn ceremony

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yeah the problem with some of these people is that they dont like christianity.. so something like good friday must disappear into the Hades hole of commecialism too.
Its throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
They actually arent intelligent enough to understand that whether they like it or not .. its just Good Friday not the Melbourne Cup which stands between the commercial greed factor overruning every last bit of our lives.
Some people would argue we actually need more Good Fridays.. a day a month where everything is treated like Good Friday.. no footy.. no Chaddy... no cafes or cinemas.. just so as human beings we can stop and take a breather.

But th sheer stupidity of some.. (who also want respect) to just kill Good Friday just because they dont get Christianity or because theyre so hooked into being entertained is laughable....

There is a spot on everybody's calendar for Good Friday Christian or not...It just happens to be Good Friday in Australia because it has been part and parcel of the traditions of this nation for 200 years.
Its also been the tradition of the VFL/AFL for over 115.

Yah we can be the NRL.... fat good that does them.. and im sure it changes alot of lives in NSW,,,

Harks and Camelboy are either lazy or simple minded... happy enough to throw everything out so every day is a blur and everyday resembles each other day just because they dont like the Christian connection .What should be a great day for every Australian to deal with it as they please without forcing others to entertain them.

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...and some people (no names) need a day put in front of them to pretend to be something they're not.

Calling others out to be simple minded smacks of hypocrisy to me and then there's those that wish to impose their will upon others. Now that's not very nice, is it? It's really not.

Your arguments will come to naught here. Take it to a higher power..........wherever that may be. Good Luck and in the meantime: Reckon we'll see 2 Goody goody Friday games next year.

Its time we rallied to make all games played during business hours during week days so that ordinary workers and their families can have their evenings and weekends back

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I'm Christian for what it's worth but I'm not going to buy into everything the church sells.
You'd be crazy to do so as they flip and flop to suit their agenda whilst trying to maintain the diminishing flock.
If everyone sided with abortion tomorrow they'd give their imprimatur to it. Hypocrisy at a very high level.

You talk about profits to which I don't really care. I talk about freedom.
Freedom to make the choice when to get together with your family and if you need Easter and Christmas as trigger points, you're doing something very wrong.

Easter Friday, Christmas Day etc etc will be relics of a past soon enough and that hasn't anything to do with the loss of spirituality.
One can be spiritual without outside forces telling them they should be for certain times of the year and I can only see us being better for it.

Anyway, this isn't a SRP board............I'm done and we'll see Good Friday football next year..........and after a couple of years, we'll wonder why we didn't do it earlier.

I see - you think the argument is about that?

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everything is linked on all sorts of levels

to see the whole picture one needs to open their eyes to all the elements that are at play here.....this is not just about sport or corporate profits.

And as far as the Church goes, well I agree with you on that point, but then again what does the CHURCH have to do with Christianity?

We have the catholic Church for example in Victoria, that has a 2 billion dollar plus land and share portfolio. Not bad hey? And remember, official religions receive tax breaks and subsidies right across this land.

It has numerous massive buildings littered across this continent which are used for several hours per week, and encircled with tall fences and security, and at the same time in Australia we have almost 2.2
million Australians living under the poverty line, and a growing homeless population? the Richest nation on the planet per capita with the highest youth suicide rate in the world (actually second highest, with NZ overtaking us recently). the lucky country. The Land of the fair go. The land were Indigenous people were classed as non existent animals until 1967. A genocide which we deny and ignore.)

Does the Church open its temple doors for these needy people?

What would little baby Jesus think of this behavior if he was alive today?

In fact when Jesus was alive, the only time he showed anger was when he entered the Temple and turned the tables over in disgust at the money lenders who were selling and operating in the house of the lord. Who were these money lenders?

So when you talk about the Church and its leaders, I see a different animal - I don't even see any spiritual or moral connection between the "Church" and the Christian faith

I can see this, and I am not a Christian

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Just a simple question to Christians who are opposed to Good Friday football - Easter Sunday is the holiest day of the year in Christianity, it is far more important than Good Friday, why is there no opposition to playing on this day but such a focus on Good Friday?

It's the only way.

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the whole easter period is important to Christians and each day is interlinked.

Last supper, disloyalty, arrest, cross bearing, crucifixion, resurrection, didn't all happen on any given day.

As it stands there are AFL games on Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday and maybe even a Tuesday

this is obviously not enough

We must create a shadow upon the one of the worlds most successful charity appeals in the RCH Good Friday appeal, and extinguish/diminish the last remaining day of the Easter period in Good Friday.

There must be NOT a single day in the yearly calendar with which the population is able to distinguish anything different in their lives

Profit over everything else

Corporates rule - a society a bit like the casino which doesn't close. Everyday the same, everyday about money, everyday a superficial trivial existence of bells and whistles

Obey, consume and die alone

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Who says Easter Sunday is the most important day?
Besides im not anti good Friday football from a religious sense because as I keep saying I'm orthodox and usually it's not the same day.
Sometimes it is .. historically it falls upon the same day one in four or five... Last four years it's been three times but that's the exception rather than the rule.

But to answer your question Easter Sunday can't be without good Friday. Friday is the the crux of Christian calendar year.
It's the cornerstone of everything Christianity is.
Sacrifice... Forgiveness.. Love... Faith etc.
That's why it's always symbolically been set apart from greed and business and money....

But like I said you don't need to be a Christian to appreciate having a day set aside from corporate exploitation and devoted to your loved ones.

The rest of the year is inundated with commercialism without exception..
Each day swamped.

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No Mr Synbad

Life in this nation must be about sport, superficiality, materialism, corporate profit above everything else, mindless meaningless entertainment.

There must never be any substance in Australian society - not a single example of a non-material mindless day is to be tolerated.

This nation desperately needs a Family, charity or society based day - no advertising, and no stores and services open except for vital ones. And on at least a monthly basis.

But we musn't have that Mr S, where would we be as a people?

Totally lost.

Imagine how many desperate people will be ringing up SEN talk back and complaining about not having anything to do because the footy or the cricket isnt on.

I wonder what these people do on a Wednesday or Tuesday or perhaps on a day when their team isn't playing???
They must require medication and therapy to get through this stressful day.

Dismantle everything that threatens the Corpocracy

Destroy everything that fosters a sense of community and family values.

Sport is the religion here!

Amen - I must get dressed Mr Synbad - I am off to the pokies

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Would be nice if kids can grow up and have one day unspoiled by greed and selfishness....
Butcher shops won't open on their one day of but the Coles .. Dan Murphy.. Chaddy will to drive yet another nail into small businesses and the middle class in this country.
I think Camelboy and Hawks would love that. They want people to go to work yet another day and serve them.
But these people won't... They physically can't open their cafe and small business up yet another day and not be with their family just so the lazy selfish can get a coffee and watch people entertain them yet another day..
It's bizarre... A sense of everybody else must bow to me and my fifty dollars that some people have...

It's not about religion alone.. it's as about society and what we are turning it into and what we have become...

People simply do not think about big picture stuff. It's all about short term gratification or kill Christ off... Even if it means their own kids know nothing else but the corporate material short term gratification and instant entertainment model civilisation.
Suppose if you kill that day off young people have nothing to composted their artificial world witn any more organic model.

Oh Yes! We have two hours of earth day.. You'll have candles lit in the casino for you. Lol

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Oh goody, it's the annual Good Friday football debate!

The usual anti-football argument is being trotted out about Good Friday being a family day, and that it's the last hurdle before commercialism completely consumes the world. This year we also have the 'forced labour' argument.

Yay.

To address the first point, since when has Good Friday been a 'family day'? I went to a Christian school, and none of my friends ever went visiting family, but I suppose there must be some who did. Even if I accept the premise that some use it as a family day, what's stopping people from visiting their families on other occasions during the year? Why do we have to have a 'special' day? I don't need a 'special' day to love my family, or to spend time with them, or indeed with friends or extended family.

Do I have to conclude that those people who use Good Friday for a family day, only do so because they feel some annual obligation to see people they don't like at least once a year, and Good Friday or Christmas are the only days they can fit into their busy, busy calendars? What a load of rubbish.

Here's a newsflash for those who think they can only see their families on Good Friday: there are fifty-one other weekends during the year where you can meet up with your loved ones, and as a bonus, there are five days in between each of those weekends which can also be used for the purpose.

If family get togethers are so important, why do you guys only do them once or twice a year? Unless of course those other weekends you've got a gun to your heads held by people who are forcing you to watch football from Friday night to Monday morning.

As for people being 'forced' to work on Good Friday. Really? Are you guys serious? I wasn't aware we live in a Stalinist state (although Abbott and Morrison wouldn't mind giving it a try), and that those who work in the football industry were drafted a la the Vietnam war. These people work in a profession where they know that working on public holidays is the norm, hence why they get plenty of time off at other occasions. Presumably they were aware of this when they entered the industry, as I'm pretty sure that football has been played on weekends and public holidays for sometime. Am I to presume from this absurd argument that the people who work in football only have Good Friday off, and that they work all other 364 days of the year?

Most people have lots of free time, but they don't choose to spend it with families because it's not important to them. If it was, they'd arrange get togethers more than once a year.

And what makes the football industry so special that it's not subject to the same occasional inconveniences as other types of business? Should we go back to the good old days of no newspapers on Good Friday, and in fact shut down all news services for the day? Maybe we should also close all businesses?

There are many reasons why we don't close all businesses, and one of them is because not everyone follows religion, and that for most, Good Friday is a meaningless public holiday. The holiday is a hangover from centuries past, is anachronistic today and should be abolished (along with Christmas Day, Boxing Day and Easter Monday). If people want to indulge themselves and believe in a man in the sky or fairies at the bottom of the garden, no problem, but we shouldn't be giving days off.


The proposition that commercialism will destroy society if football is played on Good Friday is truly one of the most bizarre ideas that have been put forward on Talking Carlton since its creation. We live in a commercial society, and whether football is played on Good Friday or not is not going to make a scintilla of difference.

I don't need the government to give me an irrelevant public holiday so I can get back to nature, go and see my family or participate in any other non-commercial activity: I can do it any time.

And by the way, what is this appalling commercialism of which I'm meant to be so afraid? Advertising? Hardly a new phenomenon. Sponsorship? Not exactly a new concept.

Yes, I go to work and earn money, I go to the shops and buy things to live, and I socialise in a few different ways. All of these activities are commercial. I also spend lots of time with my family, and we go out together (sometimes to visit other family and friends at commercial venues such as restaurant and the like).

I don't do these things just once a year, and nor do other people.

Nor do I want football on Good Friday because 'I have to be entertained'.

I want football on Good Friday because the reasons for not having it are religious drivel or specious arguments trotted out about 'family' or 'commercialism gone mad' or 'forced labour'.

I also want football on Good Friday because it's an option of something to do on a public holiday which is irrelevant for most people. I don't watch every football game, and I rarely go to live matches, but I like the option of watching it. I don't want some 'God fearing' person telling me I can't participate in an activity because it's contrary to their beliefs, because ostensibly, that's why we don't have football on Good Friday.

I also want football on Good Friday, because we should be able to have it if we want it, and if the majority think it's ok then let's have it. I still remember the arguments about armageddon in society if football was allowed to be played on Sundays, but curiously, we seem to have been able to live on since then.

In Italy, they seem to be ok with playing football on Good Friday, and in South America and North America it seems they're ok as well. Hell, the US of A play professional sport on Christmas Day!

Only in little old Melbourne do we have the idea that playing top level football on Good Friday is somehow a blight on society, even though every survey on the subject shows an overwhelming majority want football on the day.

The only argument I've heard against football on Good Friday which has any merit is that it may have a negative impact on the Good Friday Appeal. The good news is that we can enhance the profile of the appeal with, not overwhelm it, which in turn can raise MORE money for the Childrens Hospital.

I don't particularly want football on Good Friday, but I have yet to see an argument advanced as to why we shouldn't have it. What I have seen is a few people who either can't handle change, or have irrational religious sensibilities that might be bruised, and I don't have time for either of those types.

Most of all, I want football on Good Friday to put an end to this stupid annual 'debate'.

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To make this 'Corporations are evil' argument work in this context, you have to accept the proposition that if we don't have football on Good Friday, we will then spend our time going to see family or friends, or maybe shaking tins for charity. Further, this argument depends on the notion that we can't do this on other days, because the corporate behemoth won't allow such activities. Even further, the above 'argument' depends on the idea that if we can't (or won't) do these good works on Good Friday, we can't (or won't) do them any other day.

This line of reasoning also requires that everyone trots off to see these supposedly neglected family members and friends, which I'd suggest is highly unlikely, and certainly not amongst the many people I've encountered over the years.

And I hardly need a day off to 'reflect' on society and its ills. Don't most of us do that every day on one level or another?

It also heavily relies on the assumption that commercialisation and corporations are all evil and society destroying, and that's something which is unsupported sanctimonious drivel.

Contrary to the contrary stuff written above, I'd argue that the AFL has been a positive influence on societal value overall. Unquestionably they've made mistakes, but I think their promotion of worthy 'non-commercial' causes have been very good. There's no doubt they've had a very strong positive influence on the racism debate, not to mention support for women, and at club level, there is community involvement in many, many ways.

No doubt society hasn't improved in every facet over the last century, and no doubt the are bad corporations out there, but whether we play football on Good Friday or not is not going to determine our moral compass.

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Easter Sunday is pretty widely considered the most important day of the year for Christians/Catholics. Anyone who went to Sunday school could tell you that, or a quick Google - http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=45696

Again, it's why I don't understand the opposition on religious grounds.

With regards to the Good Friday Appeal it can easily be integrated as per the proposal, may even enhance it - I know I'd never watch it normally but I'm sure it'd get a lot of coverage during the footy.

With regards to us needing 'one day off' - feel free to not watch the football and turn the TV off and do whatever you like.

I am just going on the definition of Corporatism by someone that may know something about fascism - then again not all people believe that fascism is evil

(the 3 major pillars of fascism to emerge from the 20th century were Bolshevism, Nazism and Corporatism.)

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A good point, but I don't think anybody is exclusively arguing this point (certainly not me anyway)

Good Friday is used as an example because it is effectively the last day that remains in the calendar that non-essential shops and services are closed and at least AFL isn't played on that day.

On a day such as this, people gravitate through necessity or wish towards family related activities.

What if a dedicated day is set up whereby everything is shut except for essential services (police, hospitals etc). This day can be called anything you like. Charity day. family day etc...

A charity day whereby an important social issue is tackled by raising money or people providing assistance as volunteers etc. (tackling homelessness, youth suicide, cancer, depression, asylum seekers, anti discrimination, indigenous issues and awareness etc)

A charity day on a SATURDAY.

This would mean that AFL games would need to shifted to another day.

Would you object to the idea?

Maybe make it a monthly event - not a bad idea to remind people on a monthly basis as to what the problems in society are and become involved in solutions and donations etc

(this is the problem Mr Worrall, all the days that previously had most shops and services closed have been corporatized and transformed into entertainment and profit making ventures. Godd Friday is hanging on, but will also meet the same fate. If you go far enough in the past, shops weren't even allowed to trade late at night, and weekends. This pretty much left every Sunday as a free day, Saturday evenings as entertainment etc. What sort of society do we want? People argue against the Nanny state, but don't realize that the Corpocracy is acting as the nanny state, by giving you the illusion of choice. And that's all it is an illusion - its like going to the casino, and saying you have a choice in how you gamble - huge CHOICES of entertainment. In reality you only have one choice.)

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