Laidler, Betts and Hampson are at other clubs. 3/10 or 30%

Collingwood: Thomas, Shaw and Paine are at other clubs. 3/10 or 30%

Does that cover the ground you wanted to head down?

NO!
Just that the shit we had on our list was not going to give us any better draft picks. unless we swap murph and gibbs for 1st rd draft picks as suggested by some.(because they are the only ones that we could do bussiness with) And we pray that what we gain are going to be brownlow medalists, because we have no one else of value.

NO!
Just that the shit we had on our list was not going to give us any better draft picks. unless we swap murph and gibbs for 1st rd draft picks as suggested by some.(because they are the only ones that we could do bussiness with) And we pray that what we gain are going to be brownlow medalists, because we have no one else of value.

Maybe add walker and hendo to that list, and end of story!!

No offense Trigger but I haven't much time for those that call other people shit.
They were players that were drafted to our club and could have just as easily been drafted to another club.

Approximately 150 players were moved on this year alone and another 150 players will be moved on again next year, the year after etc.
They're just people like you and that got to the premium competition but just didn't turn out to be premium players. They're not shit but we can question who may be.

Keuezer?

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Don't give me that crap. You can use all the foul language in the world these days but you can't call a spade a spade. We have our priorities mixed up, if you ask me.

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For who

We have cut our list quite significantly, as needed..
We need mids, so we go and add, Thomas and docherty..
Another tall is required, everitt comes in also..
Pick 13 and pick 39 will give us two more quality mids..
Pick 51 should land us a decent tall, thorp/Tippett..
Menzel and graham get another preseason under there belts..
So I would say that have we improved our list come the start of
2014...
Just need to sort out how many one dimensional players can we play
in the one team, slow and skills are average..
- Cachia, curnow, McLean, bell, Robinson and ellard...
We are heading in the right direction under malthouse..

But we should have done better! Don't you get it? BETTER!

We should have traded Betts for Sloane and Yarran for pick 6 and Kreuzer for Boyd.

Why couldn't they be more convincing? God, why don't they negotiate - as in, definitely trade them all, but play hardball at the same time. It can't fail!

Bootsma has long arms and good closing speed - late first round
Lucas is a good runner - mid first round
Laidler was a beautiful player 2 years ago - second rounder

sarc off

I think the club has been sub-par in Recruiting, Development and List / TPP Management, all of which have fed into the problem we faced in the trade period: mediocre, over-paid/ over-contracted and poorly structured list with an ageing top end, and not many players with currency for trades. At the same time we have GC and GWS on the horizon, a few older gun teams and a number of other with near term upside. If you squint really hard, you might see something that looks like a little window, and a wall not far behind.

So the club has put it's faith in the coach to get them playing as greater than the sum of their parts and finally developing a strong team culture. In the meantime, they've adjusted the list with players that should add something we lack, for the loss of players that we should be able to cover.

Of course it's a long shot, but when you fail in so many key football department areas, things aren't going to be totally rosy no matter which direction you go.

What is a sarc? I'm unsure as to what to make of this post now.

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The problem is were mostly unsatisfied where we are placed.....

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What's done is done.
We have picks 13, 39 & 51 to come.
And a bunch of rookies.

I think 30% replacement for new blood is good: Thomas, Everitt & Docherty are good gets.
We can cover Hampson, Betts and Laidler...well Laidler was replaced this year.
Every team could have done better...but we have to wait to see.

If injuries dont hinder us this season, players fitter than last year and the coach gels the team we could do well.
Like other teams there are the same dependencies as far as succes is concerned.

Next year we have 3-4 draft picks. Similar to this year, unless we trade for earlier picks.
We will need to replace Scotland, Judd, Carrazzo, Simpson & Waite.
I think we can do that with this years and next years picks and trades.
I've changed my mind about the window.

I can see salary cap relief when Judd, Waite and Carrazzo finish.
That's sooner than later. We will have room for another big fish.

Its just a wait and see situation.
I am happier about the list post trade period than I was pre trade period.

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When we have Gibbs, Murphy, Walker and to a lesser extent Simmo and Jamo becoming free agents at the end of 2014, I can seeing any extra cap room being quickly used up. I'm assuming Gibbs and Murphy are restricted, but does anyone know whether Walker is restricted or not?

Great post Armari. Accurate, honest and ironic

..mids are easier to acquire and can be developed faster and produce good footy for longer.. ..it's the quality talls that we lack, which are harder to acquire and take longer to develop, and in most cases produce less years of topline footy.. ..but it's the talls that we need to build a good team around, and until we get the balance right, and get our mids around our talls at the right 'timing', instead of having a bunch of mids ready to fire and no talls to offer a quality spine, which has been our problem for over a decade now..

..i also think that our list can be improved upon but at the same time isn't hopeless.. ..provided that we can get said list putting in the required work ethic week in week out..

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Youre right about the FA situation emtwenty.

We should be building a class team to compete for #17, and losing players to FA next year does not help that strategy.

Until one of Gibbs Murphy or Walker choose to leave as FA's I'm not worrying about that possibility.
I have to add, as a probability equation I cant see Murphy or Gibbs leaving, and if Tex and MM work well as Tex suggests they are after the rumour that they weren't, then these 3 aren't the 3 I'm worrying about losing as FA's.

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My gut feel is they won't leave, especially if we go relatively well next year. However, I thought this time last year Eddie would never leave.

If Waite retires as I expect him to, that does free up some money. Scotto too. Hopefully Judd will take a proper pay cut as well - as some are defiant that he hasn't despite media reports.

Given Murph & Gibbs are restricted. We can always match their offers. To be honest, I don't see our captain leaving as a free agent. And with Gibbs, I don't think it would be a case of Gibbs wants out of Carlton like Thomas wanted out of Collingwood at all costs. Unless Gibbs is offered a Judd-2008 deal, I can't see us not matching any offer for him. No one is going to offer him 1 mil.

there you go...

...in other words...Mitch Thorp won't be coming to Carlton.